Y-80 / Sidewinder Controversy

[wildcild95p]

lol yes i did by eckerts stuff, from wat i was told back then is that 20 ssh was a dead class that was coming back.. i would by a sidewinder in a second if i had the money to buy one, i have nothing against that motor. i myself got into 20ssh because of my weight,, i am putting 30 pnds of led to make weight.. and i was prt of the 25% that left 20 ssh for a few years,, i thought i would give the local dirt track a try and after a couple years, i realized that nothing compares to the water. i have hit a few boat races up over my time away, jumped in eqiuptment that was always middle of the pack runner and took it to the front.. there is more than just having a good motor to get you to the front of the pack.. if the sidewinder ws ready for 20 i would definetly give it a try,, i am just at the point i am going to be looking for j//a rig for my wife and daughter to start,,, my 5 yr old wants to race!

[26V]

Leasing

Since cost seems to be a primary concern for new equipment, especially upfront costs, has leasing with an option to purchase ever been considered? I own a land surveying firm, in order for me to compete with other firms I must keep current with the latest and greatest technology available. This translates to huge bucks, robotic instrument 50K, GPS unit 25K, etc. I can't afford to lay out the cash, so I go the lease route with a $1.00 buy-out at the end of the lease. You can also purchase maintenance agreements, the same could possibly work with racing engines. The maintenance would be great for the non motorhead, you would always have a competetive motor. Isn't this the way the Indy Car series works?

My two cents.

Most Companys, including the one I work for, do not lease thier own equipment they use a third party leasing company. We need the money for the equipment and labor that we sold the customer to stay in bussiness. If we did the leasing inhouse we would go broke in a hurry. Most smaller companys can not lease with out that third party to cover the capital outlay of the equipment. So if you find a leasing company that will cover race motors I'm in!!! I will lease 2 more Sidewinders today!

[MGallagher]

Great point Gene!

[propnuts]

How in the heck did the Sidewinder/Yamato 80 thread get so started? And now so off course?

Anyway, here are the Stock Participation stats since 1997. These reflect participants in each class.


Stock '97 '98 '99 '00 '01 '02 '03 '04 '05 ‘06 ’07 ‘08
ASR 86 82 85 70 71 82 82 73 71 70 75 66
BSR 36 35 29 25 27 24 26 36 27 30 30 29
CSR 69 73 79 85 94 100 109 87 93 85 70 82
DSR 11 13 10 15 15 12 10 13 16 17 9 2
25SSR 16 15 26 27 29 35 54 56 72 52 47 47
ASH 105 87 97 100 94 103 105 107 97 88 91 101
BSH 32 40 29 30 31 40 29 30 26 39 32 32
CSH 112 128 141 140 117 130 129 124 141 120 130 125
DSH 37 38 35 26 31 31 37 33 42 44 50 47
25SSH 25 27 23 25 25 34 38 42 36 42 39 42
20SSH 86 92 104 106 101 115 107 111 121 98 98 98
45SST 28 24 20 25 21 18 21 22 25 24 27 22
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Total: 643 654 678 674 656 723 747 734 767 709 698 693

How in the heck do you explain 25SSH trending up with like a 50 year old motor? Stat's are funny things. Looks like DSH may be coming back from the brink thanks to the new motor.

[HRTV]

Dan you can have a vote, they might not count it, but you can have a vote. The live debate should be a heap of fun. Exactly how does that work, can you explain the process on that thread?

Teresa,

Yes I agree this should be a very lively debate no doubt, I will also set it up so that viewers can take part right from HR without switching over to HRTV should they choose to take part from right here. Either way its sure to be a good one!

I have only run this software one time prior to this live show so wish me luck

Here is a demo:

http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.ph...ask=view&id=55

[Sonny]

You guy wont belive it but I have the whole thing figured out, Check this out...Sidewinders are not the only good things coming out of the Runne camp John and Ryan build some of the best Hydro's you can get and Worm is a wizard with runabouts. So...You talk to a finance company and get a lender willing to work with a shell company (preferably an LLC) Call it "The right stuff LLC" or whatever. Offer a top level hydro or runabout with a New amearican built Sidewinder. A loan for 8 grand at a reasonable intrest rate boils down to about 160-170 a month. Get with Lifeline for a package special. and now that same guy who might be teetering on getting involed has an option. Now the door is still open to newbies even to newbies who might not be as mechanically inclined as some of the guys who get dirty to go racing. You add to your campain a vote to loosen the rules a little for "B" mod runabout so the current 80 guys dont have to have such a unique boat to race "B" mod runabout (a great ride I might add). And a five year plan to phase out the 80 in 25ssr. See how it goes and if it works talk then about 20ssh. And everyone is happy. On a side note..I am willing to make parts for folks interested in "B" mod.

[mercguy]

Very well put. There needs to be a better transition period. Maybe it should be longer. Attitudes have changed from the 70"s but not everyone is on the same page. The big question is how to make the change easier on folks attitudes and pocket books. Darren is loving all of this Mod talk

Mike says "Daren is loving all of this Mod talk"


..............oh yes I am!!!!!!!!!

all those "abandoned" 102's have a very nice spot in the largest mod category right now..............500mod (CMH/CMR)............chicks dig pipes!

[RyanWarner]

Just remember that no matter what you do you can never,never,never buy a new Yamato engine of any size. The Sidewinder is new and race ready as far as I know. That being said I am a firm believer of letting attrition take care of the problem instead of banning engines from classes they help develope.

One of the suggestions in the past is just go to mod. That is fine except that solution sure does nothing to help the stock outboard classes, does it.

This is a good subject and I am sure there is a lot more ideas to come. I do think that the cost to get started for new folks is getting worse in a difficult economy. Take as a good example a used engine such as the Yamato 80 or 102 for around $1200 vs $4500 for a new Sidewinder plus safety gear and boat. I also realize that other sports cost a lot more to get into but we are not talking about them. We are talking Hydro Racing with Outboards.

Yamato 302 engines can be purchased direct from the Yamato website.
< http://www.yamato.ndo.co.uk/ >

[Mrs blueskyracer]

Ryan that is a british site, not a factory site. I see they ship DHL, I think they went out of business in the United States.

[blueskyracer]

Mike says "Daren is loving all of this Mod talk"


..............oh yes I am!!!!!!!!!

all those "abandoned" 102's have a very nice spot in the largest mod category right now..............500mod (CMH/CMR)............chicks dig pipes!

Daren, got some extra pipes for Eatonville

[Mrs blueskyracer]

http://www.yamato-motor.co.jp/products/index.html

Here is the factory site, anyone here that can read it!

[mercguy]

Daren, got some extra pipes for Eatonville

Lee Tietze has a set IN STOCK!!!!!!!!!

[pro350hydro]

Why do you have to phase out a motor to bring a new one in?

Make the stock category more like the pro and allow all legal and prior legal motors legal to race. That way everyone can race within thier budgets.

[pro350hydro]

Daren, got some extra pipes for Eatonville

Mike you need this

http://www.hydroracer.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15575

[csh2z]

Propnuts - ie. 25xs - Within the last couple of years there has been a great effort by some of the 25 drivers to build their class. The SORC has cooperated with them by opening up some specs & to allow parts to be used that were previously not stock parts for those motors. Primarily allowing different model years. The drawback to this is, much like the old Mercs in the seventies, very few people can recognize what combination of parts makes the best motor. The result of that is dominance by a few people that have that expertize and the rest are on a whole different level. We currently have the same situation in the "B" (15SS) classes where very few have the expertize or resources to compete on the highest level. Of course, the other drawback is if you want to race that class you will have difficulty finding the right parts (dumpster diving ).

These are among the situations the SORC is trying to deal with because before we can put a strong effort to promote the sport, we have to have equipment available for new people and have a promotable product.