Modified outboard rule change ballot

[Dave M]

So

If I am reading the link correctly, the proposal failed (did not have the body of the rule on the results on the website) meaning that the 25 can stay in the B Mod class ?

[swheeler]

We didn't get banned for life but the proposal to increase the weight by 25 lbs on the merc and omc 25 motors did pass. The part that really ticks me off is the weight increase goes into effect this year. In effect, some of us are out, or at least illegal. I may be forced into a life of crime.
Where do are Merc and omc 25 engines fit in with the NBRA class structure?

[kampenracing]

Nbra

There is a hydro class that is just for your engines, it is called B1. It has a 365pound weight.

[mercguy]

Vote!!!!!!!!

if you look at how many people ACTUALLY voted and returned their ballots, it is VERY POOR! If you feel so strongly about a particular issue at hand, related to the class/classes you race, then you should be contacting everyone you know that the rule affects and get them to vote!!!!!!!!

[STEVE FRENCH]

if you look at how many people ACTUALLY voted and returned their ballots, it is VERY POOR! If you feel so strongly about a particular issue at hand, related to the class/classes you race, then you should be contacting everyone you know that the rule affects and get them to vote!!!!!!!!

Good point Darren!
But, When the vote is limited to drivers who ......ACTUALLY raced the class in 2008...........a minority motor only can have .....SO...... many votes ?........Right?
You can call every Racer, Commisioner, Congressman, etc, ya know........ but if their not ELIGIBLE ta vote..........
I guess a few calls to some Y-80/BMH Racers might of helped?......Seems a few might of saw the benefit of keep'n the 22's for keep'n the class numbers up and if needed to make a race.....(Gonn'a be KIND'A alkward walk'n over to a 22 racer now with 25lbs of lead ta toss in rig and ask'n em to help make a BMH race...... DOH!.....But then again , That IS about the weight of a case of cold ones ...SO maybe it will all BALANCE out at the end of the day........)

So say someone gets a Sidewinder ta scream with the right pipe/port'n.
How can it git past probation if ya only have a hand full that want ta run AMH/BMH?
Or if Race'n Outboards comes up with a scream'n retro fit for the 20 HOT-ROD?
Do they all git tossed int'a 400CCH ........"the future OPEN class".......... and ya let the COMMISSION sort/restrict it out?

If you or Morris make a good run at CMH/500CCH this year with a Merc........?

QUOTE=Dave M;129185]If I am reading the link correctly, the proposal failed (did not have the body of the rule on the results on the website) meaning that the 25 can stay in the B Mod class ?[/QUOTE]
They are still in ........................................but ya gott'a toss 25lbs in it.........which will about kill any chance of a win...........it was accelleration on a inside line that was the only hope ya had while the big guns tried ta stay on-the-pipe on the outside............. IF ya nailed the start.

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DOH!.......Hey it made fer some good o'l race'n while it lasted.
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[mercguy]

Good point Darren!
But, When the vote is limited to drivers who ......ACTUALLY raced....... the class in 2008...........a minority motor only can have .....SO...... many votes ?........Right?
You can call every Racer, Commisioner,Congressman,etc, ya know but if their not eligible..........

So say someone gets a Sidewinder ta scream with the right pipe/port'n.
How can it git past probation if ya only have a hand full that want ta run AMH/BMH?
Or if Race'n Outboards comes up with a scream'n retro fit for the 20 HOT-ROD?

Do they all git tossed int'a 400CCH ........"the future OPEN class".......... and ya let the COMMISSION sort/restrict it out?
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Steve, if you actually look at the number of members that were eligable to vote, you would be amazed how many DID NOT!

[swheeler]

There is a hydro class that is just for your engines, it is called B1. It has a 365pound weight.

Thanks for the information.

[Dave M]

I Will Offer You

Thanks for the information.

a bunk on my trailer if you want to go to one race. I know a few folks planning on Shelbyville this year for the short course nat's. Great race site. There is usually a good field of your class there. Centraillia is the regular Nat's, and I am sure Rick will be there as well. Should you want to trailer down togetehr or anything let me know, we will make sure your boat and motor make it if you want to go. It would kind of like be like the old days...

[champhotrod]

I couldn't vote on those classes this year.

I was very disappointed I did not get to vote on some of the rules regarding 350 classes or 400 as i did not race that class in 08 but did in 07.

Cooper Jess

[Kev43V]

Coop
Racem if ya got them! that way you too can vote

[swheeler]

if you look at how many people ACTUALLY voted and returned their ballots, it is VERY POOR! If you feel so strongly about a particular issue at hand, related to the class/classes you race, then you should be contacting everyone you know that the rule affects and get them to vote!!!!!!!!

Agreed, there is a wide gap between the number of ballots sent out and the number returned.
Could anyone who was at the national meeting shed some light on what data was presented to convince a majority of the MORC that the Yamato was at a disadvantage? When I look at the records, nationals wins, and high point championships for the past several years it would appear that the omc, merc, and hot rod need the help. And why, after the current weights have been in effect for many years, was it nessasary to ask the board to grant early enforcement of the higher weights. Anyone who is running 350 with a merc or omc 25 will want to either build a new boat or a new engine, not just add 25 lbs. of lead. 30 days is not enough time to do either.
With all due respect, the reasons given by the morc to justify this proposal and for the proposal to eliminate the merc and omc engines from 350 are pretty weak. We should be taking steps to increase our number of wet boats, not downsizing. I'm disappointed in the actions of both the morc and the board.

[mercguy]

Agreed, there is a wide gap between the number of ballots sent out and the number returned.
Could anyone who was at the national meeting shed some light on what data was presented to convince a majority of the MORC that the Yamato was at a disadvantage? When I look at the records, nationals wins, and high point championships for the past several years it would appear that the omc, merc, and hot rod need the help. And why, after the current weights have been in effect for many years, was it nessasary to ask the board to grant early enforcement of the higher weights. Anyone who is running 350 with a merc or omc 25 will want to either build a new boat or a new engine, not just add 25 lbs. of lead. 30 days is not enough time to do either.
With all due respect, the reasons given by the morc to justify this proposal and for the proposal to eliminate the merc and omc engines from 350 are pretty weak. We should be taking steps to increase our number of wet boats, not downsizing. I'm disappointed in the actions of both the morc and the board.

I would suggest you contact your region mod commissioner/s for detailed info.............topics on the internet are never completely accurate or defined...........

[DrRick34-0]

Steve--- You gave some good thoughts about parity, speeds, records, who has won the Nationals, etc. It would be good to hear from the Commission as to why a 25 lb. weight was added to increase parity in the class. As to my memory the the past Nationals results are as follows:

2003.........Billy Allen.............Yamato
2004.........Jeff Thompson.......Yamato
2005.........John Runne............Yamato
2006........John Palmquist........Yamato
2007........John Palmquist........Yamato
2008........Ross Webster..........Yamato

This is as far as I can remember back..

Rick Miller
34-0

[STEVE FRENCH]

Seems ta me there was a cross road in the train tracks here...........

Combine the y-8o and the 22 motors to make the "new Open-400 class" since the the "Top Guns" were so close at the National/Divisional events..............It was hinted a few times by a couple of yer STOCK think'n folks here,.......I personally wasn't thrilled cause I've fallen off the lead in 25MOD and mid pack in BMH sucked ....and yer mid pack, Y-80 guys hated to see a Merc-OMC pass em.....
SO....... yer "purist" (is that a word?) 22 guys(25MOD) and yer purist y-80(BMH) folks are never gonn'a let that happen........proven by this ballot/vote.

(Or, you could combine the Y-80's with CMH/500cch since the "Top-Guns" are already run'n with/close to the same lap times/speed.....Yah RIGHT!)....sounds like AOF/NBRA?

......BUT....then ya could of given "B" back to the 20 Hot-Rod/20-Merc/..... and the New 20 Sidewinder and the "hinted" retro fit/updated 20 Hot-Rod's......

So now yer back were ya were 10-20 years ago .......no one WANTS to give up their class.

....cept ya have a NEW motor knock'n on the MODIFIED doors....Hello 20-SIDEWINDER.

I can only guess how this is gonn'a play out.......Guess ya look at who's drive'n the train and what class they race....and this will be a no-brainer?
...Do ya restrict the Y-80's....LOL....But, since this is the "B" class and ya have the old "B" motors still???
Or do ya restrict the 22's/400cc......(from what I'm hear'n on the........... "OPEN CLASS"/"progressive"........ hints) and ya lob in the old motors here as a "catch all" class?
Proposal #5 (PASSED) "Rational: This rule helps begin the process of making the 400cc class an "open" class for the smaller displacement (??????) engines. Parity between the two (2 ????) engines shall remain a focus."...........("spirit of progression"....???).........This one really kicks up the o'l paranoia


Better start stand'n up and git on the ..."COMMISSION"/MORC.... 400CCH guys and start git'n yer ducks in a row..... cause ya can bet yer cl-ass this is were the train is head'n......

3-4 years ago, I would of agreed that I'm over-react'n/rant'n........ I'm NOT the one who started this....but from the (80) MODIFIED OUTBOARD MEMBERS who voted on proposal #7,.............. ya can bet RACERs are ...........NOW.........."paying attention" !


DOH!....I need some "Progressive spirits" right now.....Kessler+coffee..
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[swheeler]

I would suggest you contact your region mod commissioner/s for detailed info.............topics on the internet are never completely accurate or defined...........

I appreciate your suggestions Darren. While I haven't phoned or talked in person to my commisioners I did copy the commision an email I sent to the mod chairman and asked for a response to the questions I posed above. Jeff was the only one who responded.
As for the board, I emailed them asking them to not approve the early implementation and explained my concerns. I got no response from any board member although at the time contact information for the new board members was not available. The request was passed with no discussion.
So, I started posting on HR. I haven't insulted anyone, I haven't ranted. I've just asked what the reasoning was because it would appear that our engines were targeted for no reason based on available data.
I don't know how you voted on these proposals and I won't ask you to post your vote here. I would appreciate you or anyone else sharing your insights as to what might have convinced a majority of the commision to approve these proposals when there is no obvious reason to do so.
Thanks you in advance for your help.