D Motor Rules

[randyrap]

I read the APBA SO meeting minutes and was wondering where all the ''new'' D Stock motor rules are coming from and why?

Why the push to add more ''vintage'' equipment to the class when the obvious future is the Tohatsu? Are there an over abundant amount of 1964-1968 500 mercs out there? Would they compete againts a 44xs or Tohatsu?

With all the possible combinations the Tech guys will have their hands full. Mixing parts from different eras and designs sounds more like a MOD class to me.

Thanks ............ Randy

[25xs]

Nothing "current" about the Tohatsu 40D2...

Correction to subject line: Should have read "50D2", not "40D2", however, both motors share the same powerhead parts list. -Tom

Randy,
I just want to offer some info you may have overlooked: The Tohatsu being raced in D today has been obsolete for several years as well... You don't just find alot of spare Tohatsu/Nissan outboards & parts at old marine repair shops either. The powerhead is imported under an EPA exemption obtained by Tohatsu & Bass Machines.
Also, "yes" there are alot of Mercury parts lying around ready to be used for racing.
"Current" Tohatsu/Nissan outboards from 25hp up to 115hp are electronic fuel injection 2-stroke motors sharing technology with the Mercury OptiMax motors.
Tom

[nbass]

Some more info

We import the Tohatsu model M50D2, not the one mentioned. Most of the M50D2 internal parts are the same as the Tohatsu 50HP EFI you buy from the dealer today. We chose the M50D2 because it makes a simpler for racers, less expensive than the EFI, and over reving the EFI engine has not worked well.

Thanks to the SORC for stabalizing the Tohatsu D-stock rules.
Neil Bass

[ryan_4z]

I read the APBA SO meeting minutes and was wondering where all the ''new'' D Stock motor rules are coming from and why?

Why the push to add more ''vintage'' equipment to the class when the obvious future is the Tohatsu? Are there an over abundant amount of 1964-1968 500 mercs out there? Would they compete againts a 44xs or Tohatsu?

With all the possible combinations the Tech guys will have their hands full. Mixing parts from different eras and designs sounds more like a MOD class to me.

Thanks ............ Randy

I agree, I thought it was ridiculous to bring this motor back in the first place.

[randyrap]

Hi Tom.

Thanks for your reply and added info. The current D Stock Tohatsu may be obsolete (do to carbs) however it is definately not ''vintage'' and parts are readily available through a dealer.

So ... is the reason for the added ''Vintage'' Merc power source rule to attract more D racers without having to pay big bucks for a NEW engine?

Thanks ............... Randy

[sam]

So ... is the reason for the added ''Vintage'' Merc power source rule to attract more D racers without having to pay big bucks for a NEW engine?Thanks ............... Randy

Yes yes and yes

[pops67g]

Something wrong with more players?

I think we have all been hearing the same thing that numbers of racers are dwindling. We hear complaints about 3 and 4 boat classes wasting precious time on race days that could be better used by the multiple Yamato classes with higher boat counts. IF adding some older iron can add some more people and make for more boats on the water, what's so wrong? If a newbie comes along and really likes what we do, there might be a good chance that they could step up to something newer before long.

[mercguy]

Randy,
I just want to offer some info you may have overlooked: The Tohatsu being raced in D today has been obsolete for several years as well... You don't just find alot of spare Tohatsu/Nissan outboards & parts at old marine repair shops either. The powerhead is imported under an EPA exemption obtained by Tohatsu & Bass Machines.
Also, "yes" there are alot of Mercury parts lying around ready to be used for racing.
"Current" Tohatsu/Nissan outboards from 25hp up to 115hp are electronic fuel injection 2-stroke motors sharing technology with the Mercury OptiMax motors.
Tom

the M50D is not obsolete by any means. You can still buy all the parts you need for it. It falls in the same category as the current Merc J/A motor. Both motors are still being produced, but not available for DIRECT sale in the US without an EPA exemption and can be purchased for "racing use only".


there really is no need to search around for a used Tohatsu motor at local dealerships, etc, as you can buy a NEW one. But, if you look hard enough, there are used "candidates" out there for a conversion. I see a couple for sale every month.......

[randyrap]

IF adding some older iron can add some more people and make for more boats on the water, what's so wrong?

I agree. Time will tell ''IF'' this will happen.

Thanks for answering my questions.

Randy

[mercguy]

I think we have all been hearing the same thing that numbers of racers are dwindling. We hear complaints about 3 and 4 boat classes wasting precious time on race days that could be better used by the multiple Yamato classes with higher boat counts. IF adding some older iron can add some more people and make for more boats on the water, what's so wrong? If a newbie comes along and really likes what we do, there might be a good chance that they could step up to something newer before long.

from what I hear and witness, the D class has picked up members recently with the advent of a new motor (Tohatsu) and even more 44XS's are coming out of the wood work. DSH is one of the biggest classes in Reg10 now, partly due to the new motor that is available and also see it is picking up in BIG numbers in th NBRA and even on the east coast.

[propnuts]

Explanation

The way it was presented to the commission is that if we find a way for people to come out and race in equipment that won't run at the front with the 44 and Tohatsu, the competitive juices will get flowing and they will the go out and get competitive equipment to race in. I suspect that the total impact of this rule will be awful close to nil, and if it helps a little, why not?

[sam]

The way it was presented to the commission is that if we find a way for people to come out and race in equipment that won't run at the front with the 44 and Tohatsu, the competitive juices will get flowing and they will the go out and get competitive equipment to race in. I suspect that the total impact of this rule will be awful close to nil, and if it helps a little, why not?

It will allow me to run a DSH at a Stock based race that alternates which Mod classes run with them. Otherwise I'd just stay home.

[kws]

it might still be comparing decaf and regular beans. But had we been allowed to run a 15 fishing motor in A we would of been on the race course 2 years sooner. Knowing we would be tailend charlies, yet we expected that to be true no matter what kind of equipment we had. why? Cause we knew we didn't know squat about boat racin! but we sure wanted to learn

[Fast Jack]

DSH changes

Here in the North East we have about 8 DSH boats show up a region 1 race , There has been groth in this class because we were able to get some of the people that had older D merc motors to come out and race APBA. Next year we will have 3 Tohatsu motors locally and 2 44 xs along with 5 or 6 - 55 H boats. The mixing of old and new Merc parts should HELP Dave Scott. There will be a incereased demand for his parts , and the racers who want to buy new will have a choice of Merc or Tohatsu. The future of our races depend on entries, if this helps the class it helps Boat racing overall. Alan Ackerstrom put a lot of work into these changes and went to the meeting on his own $$$$.. If you want to change the rules get your self in gear, do the research ,and prove your facts ,and present a reasonable proposal. don't wine on HR... Thanks for your time Shawn.. ( Ps we bring an entire class to region 3 races -- seems they stil manage to run the Yamato classes and make $ on there events.)

[mercguy]

It will allow me to run a DSH at a Stock based race that alternates which Mod classes run with them. Otherwise I'd just stay home.

explain this.........