20ssH to 440lbs.????????

[NUT2F]

Is there a proposal to increase the 20ssH weight to 440lbs? SORC, please let us know. If so all 20ssh drivers' should speak up now, before they shove it down your throat like the CSH height last year
I own 2 rigs, and both need weight to make 400lbs., so making the weight 440will stop us from running 20ssh.
Guys SPEAK UP for your class.
Harry Pinner, Jr.

[Tim Sidor]

Peanut, I just talked to my two commissioners in my region (6) and there is a proposal on the agenda to increase the weight to 440lbs. I do not agree with this as it is too much of an increase and we already have the CSH class at that weight. 20ssH is a class for the 150-170 driver that cannot run at the weight of CSH without adding 40-50 pounds of lead to make weight. I am one person who should know as I used to have to add for CSH. The 20ssH drivers need to voice their opinions to their region commissioners ASAP to vote this proposal down!!!

[seanp3]

I won't be running 20SSH if the weight is increased

[stu_racing]

Raising the weight to 440lbs does not make too much sense to me. Since APBA's 5 year plan includes the 20ci Sidewinder, probably running at 400lbs or less, why would you raise the weight of this class so that you would need a heavier driver or boat than you would need for CSH to run a Sidewinder?
Like Tim stated before, this class is for those who are not heavy enough for CSH. I don't want to start any arguments, but I rather get Craig to bang some pitch out of my 20ssh props and run at CSH height than add 40lbs to my 20ssh rig. I already do that for CSH. And that is only if the SORC determines that 20ssh is too dangerous to continue running under the conditions that it currently does, which I do not agree with.

[guedo499]

Weight change

Shush, quiet, can you hear that? I can. It’s the opponents of last year’s CSH height-rule change which affected many of the 120 participants of 2006…

I’m not sure I understand the thought process of the rule change – could someone possibly explain it or is spelled out somewhere?

After 2006’s height-rule change in CSH, one could argue that it increased participation: 2006-120; 2007-130. 20ssh had 98 participants in the last two years, is there a possibility that the proposed weight change would increase overall participation?

Personally, I really enjoy racing the 20ssh class. It’s lively, fun and is a lighter, slower alternative to CSH.

Right now I run a 160lbs boat and still need to add 5-10lbs to obtain 20ssh weight. Granted, that is not the case for the majority but based on our testing, 40lbs does make quite a difference in overall handling.

If the thought is to K.eep I.t S.imple S.tupid (no negativity intended) in respect to raising the weight to match CSH weight, I can’t argue with that; all you would then need to do is change a restrictor (in my case) or motor, yada, yada…

With the previous said, I would prefer that the weight stay constant to previous years especially sense there are still motor transitions happening – 80 to a 302 restricted. I feel we need at least one constant in the many variables of racing.

John Peeters
2007 20ssh Winter National Champion
2007 20ssh Summer National Champion
(Those are there to at least add some kind of credibility, but don’t worry “I dunno, I’m just the driver” removes most of it…)

[Nilsen Racing]

Contact your commissioner

The 20ssH drivers need to voice their opinions to their region commissioners ASAP to vote this proposal down!!![/QUOTE]

Regarding this or any other proposal, before you get to excited and carried away here on hydroracer, contact (phone, e-mail) your commissioners and voice your thoughts. I'll guarantee you, the commissions (SO, MOD, PRO, J) have no hidden agendas. They were elected by you (the racers of APBA) to represent you (the racers of APBA). I know Tim has been there.

Have a safe trip to all who are attending
Jim

[mercguy]

Shush, quiet, can you hear that? I can. It’s the opponents of last year’s CSH height-rule change which affected many of the 120 participants of 2006…

I’m not sure I understand the thought process of the rule change – could someone possibly explain it or is spelled out somewhere?

After 2006’s height-rule change in CSH, one could argue that it increased participation: 2006-120; 2007-130. 20ssh had 98 participants in the last two years, is there a possibility that the proposed weight change would increase overall participation?

Personally, I really enjoy racing the 20ssh class. It’s lively, fun and is a lighter, slower alternative to CSH.

Right now I run a 160lbs boat and still need to add 5-10lbs to obtain 20ssh weight. Granted, that is not the case for the majority but based on our testing, 40lbs does make quite a difference in overall handling.

If the thought is to K.eep I.t S.imple S.tupid (no negativity intended) in respect to raising the weight to match CSH weight, I can’t argue with that; all you would then need to do is change a restrictor (in my case) or motor, yada, yada…

With the previous said, I would prefer that the weight stay constant to previous years especially sense there are still motor transitions happening – 80 to a 302 restricted. I feel we need at least one constant in the many variables of racing.

John Peeters
2007 20ssh Winter National Champion
2007 20ssh Summer National Champion
(Those are there to at least add some kind of credibility, but don’t worry “I dunno, I’m just the driver” removes most of it…)

ya, raise 20SSH to 440lbs, then I could race 20 again!!! Oh wait, I am "supposed" to be running SST45 instead........

PS: why not "bump" CSH up to 450 and OSY to 400........

[Racerkyle20]

Really??

I don't run 20ssH. Mainly because i'm a 185-190lb driver who needs only 10lbs to make CSH weight. But why increase 20ssH weight? Safety? The boats are only topping out at the mid 60s (the fastest guys anyway). There can't be any real reason to do this. If there is let the public know before we get carried away on this site (Johnny Boy, haha good rant!).

Kyle
20-R

PS: Commisioners- you've already pissed off the 2 fastest 20ssh in region 10 (one already said he won't run if the rule changes). That means your losing numbers, compitition, and utlimately his MONEY!

[Matt Dagostino]

Hidden Agenda........

Really what's going to happen here is the weight proposal is really a smoke screen to lowering the motor height to 3/4" to be consistant with the 102!!

The guys figure that by getting everyone all riled up about weight it will be easy to slip in a new transom height rule. You know, the lesser of the two evils!! Heck, if the commish does the transom height deal then the 302's will be even more competitive in 20ssh then they already are! Food for thought!

Should be fun in Detroit this week!

[hydroracer25]

440lbs? that's for CSH

Seems pretty obvious to me that we have "big guy" class and it's CSH and the weights 440lbs.

Seems to me that we also have a "moderate guy" class and it's 20SSH and the weights 400lbs.

So why in the hell would anyone want to change it. There shouldn't be 1 commisioner that votes to approve this proposal. Just my opinion of course, but since I now race 20SSH and CSH I think I'm pretty qualified to say so. And this is coming from a guy who's put on about 10lbs over the last few years and is actually closer to CSH weight with my 20SSH. I'm not asking for a weight change...I know I need to lose 10 lbs or get a lighter boat.

Sorry fat guys you have a class!

Mark Miskerik

[racingfan]

Seems pretty obvious to me that we have "big guy" class and it's CSH and the weights 440lbs.

Seems to me that we also have a "moderate guy" class and it's 20SSH and the weights 400lbs.

So why in the hell would anyone want to change it. There shouldn't be 1 commisioner that votes to approve this proposal. Just my opinion of course, but since I now race 20SSH and CSH I think I'm pretty qualified to say so. And this is coming from a guy who's put on about 10lbs over the last few years and is actually closer to CSH weight with my 20SSH. I'm not asking for a weight change...I know I need to lose 10 lbs or get a lighter boat.

Sorry fat guys you have a class!

Mark Miskerik

Mark if you had a set of balls you would need to lose more like 15lbs. Sorry to go against what Jenny Craig told you.

PS: You can dish it out...enjoy the attention.

[drbyrne55]

Bingo ....

My first thought was the change to 440lbs WILL NOT happen for obvious (safety) reasons BUT as Matt already stated it sets the stage to lower down to 3/4 inches.

So last year we got the CSH "saftey" 3/4 rule? and we asked why 20SSH didn't get the same safety rule ... Hopefully, 20SS doesn't get a safety rule bypassing the membership vote like CSH did last year. So really a change to 3/4 will help those already running at 3/4 ..... replay 2007 CSH. It will just take 1 or 2 years to re-adjust your set ups.



Daren, stop planting seeds .... there's nothing wrong with running "A" hydro at 335 lbs


TEAM 69R : 2007 20SSH WESTERN DIVISIONAL CHAMPION

Really what's going to happen here is the weight proposal is really a smoke screen to lowering the motor height to 3/4" to be consistant with the 102!!

The guys figure that by getting everyone all riled up about weight it will be easy to slip in a new transom height rule. You know, the lesser of the two evils!! Heck, if the commish does the transom height deal then the 302's will be even more competitive in 20ssh then they already are! Food for thought!

Should be fun in Detroit this week!

[propnuts]

Rest assured boys and girls...

that your commisioners listen to their constituants and have a little understanding of the issues. Every year stuff like this comes up, it's really not something to panic over. By the way, how do you guys feel about lowering the weight in CSR to 460?

Tony Perman
Crew Chief, 2008 20SSH National High Point Champion

[ryan_4z]

I wouldn't worry about this guys. Just because something is on the agenda, doesn't mean anything. I'd bet that this idea doesn't even get a motion at the meeting.

[crfabbro2F]

Are any of these proposals available to the membership for reviewing prior
to the meeting? If yes, where?