Another question, Why aren't Y202 motors legal in CSH/CSR?

[johnsonm50]

actually be better? why because the 102 is faster then the 302 (out of box)? How likely is that? Aren't there WAY to many 102s running right now for the to be even close to possible? I mean, try telling someone their $3000 rebuilt 102 is no longer legal. It seems it may be a little early for that. Maybe sometime... hopefully not soon!

Maybe if they tell everyone that in 2020 or something like in ten years they wont be legal, but that will probably still be VERY hard to get by the racers.


what about that Yamato 404 or something, I thought I heard something about a Yamato 4 stoke or something... my dad was talking about it, he was reading something on the internet. Has anyone else heard of this?

Ive got it on another page, Prototype Yamato 402 / 4 stroke motor - no specs, no plans to introduce soon. [nice pic tho]. Yamato Race Engines -click information

[sam]

Silas, the Yamatos we get are factory rebuilt after being used for a season in Japan. We should know quite a bit about the next generation of Yamato long before any are actually available outside of the original use in Japan.

I haven't heard of any advances in the prototype to a future 4 stroke Yamato beyond the first we heard on Hydroracer a year or more back; so it is probably still too heavy, too slow and too complicated.

There is another possible alternative motor after the supply of 302's is depleted in 2020 or so ... since Yamato refused to sell new motors to Korea for their paramutual racing, Hyundai is working on a prototype for use there. We may be able to buy them the same way we now buy Yamatos. Who knows ... they may even be better and cheaper But all that is such a long way out in the future it is sort of like worrying about living on Mars

[STEVE FRENCH]

So maybe there is a concern that the 202 is faster then the 102/302 so if APBA made them legal the few people who actually own them would have an advantage?

I have a very strong 202D/tall tower =(102 crank+rods+mag/302 style block)
It is very strong and have tested it several times on my red Altralite ...It runs not too far off to my 25XS on the black rig (maybe you have seen it run?)........Still, no matter how "FAST" yer rig is,........ YA STILL GOTT'A HAVE THE NADS TO DRIVE IT!.....At Whitney Point last year, I was wish'n I'd brought the O'l Pavlik instead'a the Altralite cause of the conditions (Would'a helped also to have a set of 25year old knees! ) ....You better have "BIG ONES" to git out there with Ryan, Joe Silvestri, John Runnie, Williams, Allen, Pater, ETC..................This is the NASCAR class of kneel downs and it ROCKS HARD!........Joel Wiegle still can run outfront with em with a 16+year old heavy wood-rig cause he can ....DRIVE......( with a big grin-on as he pass's ya on the outside while look'n ya in the eye )

19P....Hey Joel...Wann'a try OSY400 with my stuff?........

[reed28n]

202 ?

I believe we should keep moving in the direction of "In Stock" motors in APBA Stock Outboard

the 202 sounds appealing.... if I was racing OSY sound like the motor to have..

[14-H]

I thought that it had more to do with ***the hoops that the importer was being asked to jump through by the SORC at the time the 202 was being offered. As I recall, Ricky got tired of getting a runaround and said, '$crew this, I'll just bring in the 302 instead.'
***

R-19

This is 100% accurate. I was on the SORC at the time and found it quite unbelievable that the SORC would delay the legalization of an available engine made for racing for so long. The 302 met with the same hostility but eventually was approved although it took years.

This is also what I have previously referred to in reference to my comments about how quickly the Tohatsu was approved in D Stock. Bass Machines may feel that they were given a hard time. But Ric Montoya can tell them how bad it can really get.

It was close to a decade after the initial application for the 202 in C Stock before any new engine was made legal in that class. If you want to talk about being competitive, the timeline gets much longer.

[14-H]

A Reason to Approve the 202

Here's the best one: It would allow the NBRA guys to compete in APBA C Stock. Nearly all of them have 202's. Instead we force these guys to run OSY-400 in the PRO category if they want to race at an APBA event.

Put a 1.0" height restriction on it if you APBA C guys think the NBRA guys will beat you.

[jpro60]

rumor

Silas, the Yamatos we get are factory rebuilt after being used for a season in Japan.

Just throwing out there that I've heard from a reliable source that they don't actually get rebuilt. I've been told they just get done, get boxed, and get sold here.
Mike 1-US-1

[drbyrne55]

I would agree with Mike ... one of our "out of the box" 302's came with a warped exhaust manifold that was not checked before leaving Japan ... no biggie though because Ric repaired it.

Just throwing out there that I've heard from a reliable source that they don't actually get rebuilt. I've been told they just get done, get boxed, and get sold here.
Mike 1-US-1

[Charlie Pater]

Here's the best one: It would allow the NBRA guys to compete in APBA C Stock. Nearly all of them have 202's. Instead we force these guys to run OSY-400 in the PRO category if they want to race at an APBA event.

Put a 1.0" height restriction on it if you APBA C guys think the NBRA guys will beat you.

Ed - How many NBRA racers have 202s? How do you know they would race APBA if the 202 was to be allowed? Have you surveyed NBRA racers about their potential attendance at APBA races? I thought the NBRA racers would need to travel longer distances to attend APBA races. Don't some NBRA race dates conflict with APBA race dates? A more specifics are required in order to adequately establish the potential for greater APBA participation.

Charlie

[Rich Russo]

Yamato`s

Out of the 4 or 5 NBRA races I competed in last season (CSH) there may have been 1 or 2 Yamato 202`s used. Mostly 102`s and a few 302`s (that I could tell). I borrowed a strong 202 during 1 race, and it wasn`t any faster than my 102 according to my GPS, and acceleration was the same.

[STEVE FRENCH]

I have a very strong 202D/tall tower =(102 crank+rods+mag/302 style block)
It is very strong and have tested it several times on my red Altralite ...It runs not too far off to my 25XS on the black rig (maybe you have seen it run?)........Still, no matter how "FAST" yer rig is,........ YA STILL GOTT'A HAVE THE NADS TO DRIVE IT!.....At Whitney Point last year, I was wish'n I'd brought the O'l Pavlik instead'a the Altralite cause of the conditions (Would'a helped also to have a set of 25year old knees! ) ....You better have "BIG ONES" to git out there with Ryan, Joe Silvestri, John Runnie, Williams, Allen, Pater, ETC..................This is the NASCAR class of kneel downs and it ROCKS HARD!........Joel Wiegle still can run outfront with em with a 16+year old heavy wood-rig cause he can ....DRIVE......( with a big grin-on as he pass's ya on the outside while look'n ya in the eye )

19P....Hey Joel...Wann'a try OSY400 with my stuff?........

Just wanted to add to my above post......This is not to say these "Big-Dogs" can't be beat!......Even a "Little-Dog"....dosen't know.....He's "Little"...
Even when the old-bod can only last/win one lap..........go to the outside and rellish that lap!...........YOUR RACE'N..

The most reward'n RACE I ran last year was test'n with my buddy Archie and watch'n his 15 HOT-ROD on my red Altralite, pull away from my A-MOD 22/OMC on my Black Altralite......and the grin on his 71+ year-young face...........

19P Team "NEVER READY RACE'N" ...SEEEEE YAAAAAAA----In my WAKE !!!

[racingfan]

Here's the best one: It would allow the NBRA guys to compete in APBA C Stock. Nearly all of them have 202's. Instead we force these guys to run OSY-400 in the PRO category if they want to race at an APBA event.

Put a 1.0" height restriction on it if you APBA C guys think the NBRA guys will beat you.

Ed and the SORC,

First of all my 102 came before my class CSH was a two motor class. Two motor classes are a turn off to me! A big one! To many motors have different power bands so you end up creating a situation of needing one motor for a short course and one for a long. APBA isn't NASCAR and does a poor job of taking care of issues that are important. LIKE why was the height rule changed for CSH last year under a "safety issue" Show me the data on accidents in 2006 that supported that. Political BS. The sad thing is King Ed is the one guy like his ideas or not that actually gets anything he wants done! ( Thats a compliment Ed. As good as it gets beeootttchh)

This thread is a joke. Racers all have opinions. The SORC this year as every year prior needed/s to invest in accurate, solid test data. Not smoke and mirrors that creates more problems. Show me the data on the 202 vs. the 102 and 302 until that time take this idea and put it over your fathers bald spot on his head. The Stock Outboard Division is going to 2 motor class me right out and into another category. Good luck Scott Reed! Hopefully you will be different and the difference Stock Outboard needs!

Mike Barrett

PS: I would be racing DSH right now if it wasn't for all the BS with that class. Get it straight and I will buy one!

[jeff55v]

Opinion

This thread is a joke. Racers all have opinions.

That sounds like an opinion.

This thread engages in nothing but harmless conversation. But, I guess that's my opinion.

PS. If it weren't for HydroRacer, I would know nothing of this alleged BS around the D stock class (No offense Dan). At every race I've been to with my Tohatsu, I've been met with nothing but good sportsmanship. And that's a fact.

[Dave M]

Nice

Ed and the SORC,

First of all my 102 came before my class CSH was a two motor class. Two motor classes are a turn off to me! A big one! To many motors have different power bands so you end up creating a situation of needing one motor for a short course and one for a long. APBA isn't NASCAR and does a poor job of taking care of issues that are important. LIKE why was the height rule changed for CSH last year under a "safety issue" Show me the data on accidents in 2006 that supported that. Political BS. The sad thing is King Ed is the one guy like his ideas or not that actually gets anything he wants done! ( Thats a compliment Ed. As good as it gets beeootttchh)

This thread is a joke. Racers all have opinions. The SORC this year as every year prior needed/s to invest in accurate, solid test data. Not smoke and mirrors that creates more problems. Show me the data on the 202 vs. the 102 and 302 until that time take this idea and put it over your fathers bald spot on his head. The Stock Outboard Division is going to 2 motor class me right out and into another category. Good luck Scott Reed! Hopefully you will be different and the difference Stock Outboard needs!

Mike Barrett

PS: I would be racing DSH right now if it wasn't for all the BS with that class. Get it straight and I will buy one!

Didn't you run for Commissioner last year or the year before ? Did not get elected as I seem to recall. Perhaps your opinion, right or wrong, is not the same as the majority of Stockers. But everyone is entitled to an opinion, that is for sure. Shame for you to quit over a difference of opinion. Heck, if I were to quit everytime my opinions were met with resistence, I woul dhave been fishing 15 years ago or more. It seems lately that the ladies have a different opinion of me than myself, but that does not stop me from the game, or cause me to switch categories.

[racingfan]

It seems lately that the ladies have a different opinion of me than myself, but that does not stop me from the game, or cause me to switch categories.

Dave,

Thanks so much for your concern and sensative nature. There are so many men that aren't in touch with their feminine side like you are. I never said I quit. If I was going to quit you would have changed my mind!!! Great job!! Thanks for the motivational words of sensative wisdom.

As far as you and your lady problems.....There are many sites online that can help. Sometimes people try to pretend to be something that they aren't. Anyway...Google "Coming Out Stories". I think you have a monkey on your back!? You will feel better when you can just come out and say "Yes, I am gay". You are not alone Dave. Other boatracers are just like you!! Good luck!

Mike

PS:OR Maybe I got you all wrong and the internet isn't a good way to judge someone or to form an opinion of somebody at all? Hmmmmmmmm....Ahh hek Dave its more fun this way isn't it?