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    Well where to start on this one, your reply deserves a response as you see the same thing I see today is how to get the younger people involved! This is the question for more than just APBA it goes for civic groups and great organization such as the lions club, Elks Lodges, even political groups.
    I tried to get people thinking with my first post (that everyone jumped on me for comments on running for the BOD for change). I have talked to serveal younger memebers here in our neck of the woods and they pretty much have the same concern that they will never be able to be elected and feel they as 1 person will not be able to effect change.
    This is why as you mentioned the YOUNG TERKS that came along when APBA was in a disasterous state years ago they organized behind the scenes and then came with a strong group of SUCCESSFUL business minded people and secured votes that would insure success in election counts. These BUSINESS MINDS pulled the APBA from disaster and canceled long trem contracts and leases that were pretty much done the same way the current leaders are doing with driver schools, spec boat project, and the crown group. This bunch of, as you say young leaders (some were over 30 trust me I know them all) but they had a vision and a plan.
    Looking back there is always a history lesson that can be learned form past experiances and this issue is no differant. The problem is the "LEADERS BEHIND THE SCENES" who are still pulling the strings today choose to file a law suit as they saw that the YOUNG TERKS movement was gaining speed due to the success of their efforts and membership was growing, there were NEW SERIES organized and racing within APBA and scations were up cost were down expensive contract were canceled (not with out a fight) but a fight worth doing to turn the ship around.
    Upon seeing the success and the fact that the "behind the scenes group" may loose control the famous "Seattle Meeting Suit" was filed and members were basically lied to about the plan and made to believe this group of YOUNG TERKS had gone to far and neede to be stopped!
    Well as I said history is a good thing it teaches those who pay attention lessons in hopes that the same mistakes are not made twice.
    Also smart leaders will tell you that second chances don't come about to often and you should take advantage of them when they happen!
    The YOUNG TERKS had a great plan and proved they could and did save the APBA from disasterist times and cost of operating the business.
    Again let's revisit the successes:
    Memebrship growth. New Racing series, increased Santions, reduced expenses, lower cost of doing business, and lower insurance cost!
    WOW HOW WE HAVE RETURNED BACK TO THE DAYS OF YESTERDAY AND NOW ARE IN THE SAME POSITION TODAY AS IT WAS PRIOR TO THE YOUNG TERKS MOVEMENT!
    The issue now as you state is where is the next group of YOUNG TERKS???
    Well unfortunately those who are large and in-charge and chose to derail the great busines plan that was in place (many will argue that it was not good only because it did not serve/benefit the few that wish to be in control) that would have allowed for a professional racing group and sportsman racing group under 1 banner APBA that would generate income and entice corp. sponsors into the professional side allowing monies to reduce cost and support to the sportsman racing group.
    I AGREE THIS IS SIMPLIFIED A BIT but if you could gather the YOUNG TERKS and have a meeting today I think the majority of current memebers would see that they were on the right track and their plan would have had APBA in a much stronger position today than it currently is!
    So with that being said back to your point, (WHO ARE THE YOUNG TERKS TODAY) I don't think they are out there, not that there are not smart people with good business sense available let me be clear on that!
    There just to many people involved that only wish to focus on protecting their "special interest" and not looking at the big picture, the "me" thinkers will always drag down the "WE" thinkers if there is no strong leadership with a good busniess mind and sense guiding the ship!
    The issue is APBA got the second chance and the leaders (not the members as proven we have no say) chose to return to the business plan of yesterday and what was a successful thriving racing program is now broke, loosing memebership, declining sanctions and high insurance cost, declining series racing, and poor investment in programs that have had 0 return on investment!
    In closing I hope you don't feel I have bashed you here with this post, I have been involved for many years with the sport offering help where needed, volunteering when asked and working to put on and support races.
    I wish I could see a brighter future for APBA but as I said earlier in this post, some one chose to throw away the second chance that came along, and history will soon prove this fact and provide another lesson for all to learn from.

    ENJOY THE RIDE R10 #1487

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    Howard:

    Very compelling synopsis about some of the reasons APBA is in the condition it is these days, and I thank you for your take on it. As the old saying goes, "those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it."

    All too often we only hear one side, if any comments are made at all. Another (IMHO) is the lack of transparency about the way the organization is being run, but I won't beat that horse anymore as the organization where my interest lies has made an exit from it.

    Thankfully USTS has a few of those "Young Turks" you speak about, with the business leadership backgrounds, and under their leadership growth will surely continue in the PRO category with USTS, BUT, young blood is needed there also, and not just in leadership positions, but participation. Hopefully with a business plan in place that is not handicapped by high costs, more promotion of the sport can happen and more participants gained by less cost to competitors for sanctions, insurance and record keeping.

    At least in the PRO ranks, we have motor availability, and competition between manufacturers, and a set of rules that encourages, instead of stifling innovation. Should be interesting to see what the APBA meeting brings, if anything, to answer objections to the way it is being run now.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by bill van steenwyk View Post
      Howard:

      Very compelling synopsis about some of the reasons APBA is in the condition it is these days, and I thank you for your take on it. As the old saying goes, "those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it."

      All too often we only hear one side, if any comments are made at all. Another (IMHO) is the lack of transparency about the way the organization is being run, but I won't beat that horse anymore as the organization where my interest lies has made an exit from it.

      Thankfully USTS has a few of those "Young Turks" you speak about, with the business leadership backgrounds, and under their leadership growth will surely continue in the PRO category with USTS, BUT, young blood is needed there also, and not just in leadership positions, but participation. Hopefully with a business plan in place that is not handicapped by high costs, more promotion of the sport can happen and more participants gained by less cost to competitors for sanctions, insurance and record keeping.

      At least in the PRO ranks, we have motor availability, and competition between manufacturers, and a set of rules that encourages, instead of stifling innovation. Should be interesting to see what the APBA meeting brings, if anything, to answer objections to the way it is being run now.
      Thanks I can not agree more with you and I applaud the USTS for their movement to get out of the APBA. There are other options to race your boats and APBA no longer can support the OLD BOYS club with the decline in income gerations and keep the doors open. I was Just at a local club meeting here in Seattle where The USTS members stated that they were sure the USTS would be back with APBA. HUMM funny they would say that inlight of the current events. The comment was look at the Unlimiteds they came back to APBA after going on their own for a few years. The point they failed to state was they came back for only 1 reason, they needed APBA affiliation with UIM to race in Dubi, there was 0 benefit in this deal for APBA members, the benefit was all for H1 unlimited series unless having to pay higher insurance cost due to the Madison incident is a benifit for us other APBA memebers.
      Not sure I feel we as members are better off now then before they rejoined. I see them having 2 huge pay days due to the affiliation. APBA maybe gained a few crew members having to join for insurance reasons but at the end of the day no real gain just more pain!

      R10 #1487

      Have a great day!

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      • #4
        Revitalize APBA and our sport

        I'm guilty of not knowing who runs the APBA show. I hope it is people who race.
        (I used to be a minor hockey coach and had to give it up as the geniuses who ran the program had,for the most part never played the game. You know the rest....)
        I hope the issues with stock racing get ironed out if only because our mod races are tied to stock. The catagories simply sink or swim together.

        FYI..today I read a story in the local paper. There's to be a Bass tournament on our St Lawrence River this summer. Focal point is Waddington,NY a village about the size of Redwood...site of Crystal Lake. We're talking LITTLE. 100 competitors are to compete for $600,000 in prize money. Think about this. Spectators don't even get to see the action ! How in gods name did fishin turn into such a spectacle ? Perhaps it would be worth studying how this happened.

        There are several organizations from which pages could be borrowed. Years ago I was into Ducks Unlimited. I did the whole program from local chapter chairman, to NY State Committee, State Chairman, and National Trustee. Chapter events were subsidized by National, "profits" got sent back to National for the realization of goals. Local Chapters did as well as they could. But it was never a financial hardship to stage a local event. Truely ,some did better than others but the growth pattern in the 70s was phenominal. I would maintain APBA could actually subsidize events,post the insurance and sanction fee up front, and collect after the event. All things considered,I can't see where APBA actually invests much in our races. Sometimes it makes sense to invest a dollar in anticipation of a return. At our club all we get each year is a dose of new regs and a bigger sanction fee, hence more hardship to pull it off.
        Hunter III

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        • #5
          my response to Big Don

          Big Don,
          Thanks for supporting our races, always being willing to help anyone out, spending your own time and money to support Stock racing!

          Keep up the good work!
          Mike

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Hunter View Post
            I'm guilty of not knowing who runs the APBA show. I hope it is people who race.
            (I used to be a minor hockey coach and had to give it up as the geniuses who ran the program had,for the most part never played the game. You know the rest....)
            I hope the issues with stock racing get ironed out if only because our mod races are tied to stock. The catagories simply sink or swim together.

            FYI..today I read a story in the local paper. There's to be a Bass tournament on our St Lawrence River this summer. Focal point is Waddington,NY a village about the size of Redwood...site of Crystal Lake. We're talking LITTLE. 100 competitors are to compete for $600,000 in prize money. Think about this. Spectators don't even get to see the action ! How in gods name did fishin turn into such a spectacle ? Perhaps it would be worth studying how this happened.

            There are several organizations from which pages could be borrowed. Years ago I was into Ducks Unlimited. I did the whole program from local chapter chairman, to NY State Committee, State Chairman, and National Trustee. Chapter events were subsidized by National, "profits" got sent back to National for the realization of goals. Local Chapters did as well as they could. But it was never a financial hardship to stage a local event. Truely ,some did better than others but the growth pattern in the 70s was phenominal. I would maintain APBA could actually subsidize events,post the insurance and sanction fee up front, and collect after the event. All things considered,I can't see where APBA actually invests much in our races. Sometimes it makes sense to invest a dollar in anticipation of a return. At our club all we get each year is a dose of new regs and a bigger sanction fee, hence more hardship to pull it off.
            Hunter III
            You have great points here and I am very familier with the Minor Hiockey scene and that which you speak of!
            The on going issue with APBA these days is there is nothing but self serving adjendas at every level nobody can/wants to step back and see the big picture! ( a picture that is slowly sinking and going broke)
            due to private intrest and lack of memberships ability to have a voice and the main problem is A GOOD BUSINESS SENSE of how to run it.
            There is no reason to have a stock mod pro division there should 1 "Outboard" and only 1 representative from each region NO APPOINTIES!!!!
            Catagoires that run events strickly for profit should be under a professional series group and expensed and insured apart form the sportman racers that do it for points a small throphy and maybe a hat and jacket!
            But based on the past 5 years of operations I don't see this changing as the membership has no real voice, the BOD elects the president (not the memebers) therefore we the paying customers (members, clubs, race chairman and volunteers that do 90% of the work to make races happen, are stuck with expensive programs that benifit those in the "CLICK" with no real return on investment or proven benifit only more expenses and higher cost of operation with reduced services at a higher cost as you stated above.
            R10 #1487 Enjoy the ride!

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