Its time for change!

[bill van steenwyk]

Predujice????????????????????

If predujice against Muslims is quantified by not liking folks who cut other folks heads off, primarily US citizens and any others who disagree with them, then count me in with Pat Wright. Whatever else you think about the present administration, they have realized that there are people out there that hate us, and our way of life, and will do nothing to stop us from existing on this earth. Because they live in the real world and not a dream one that some folks just hope will exist if more fancy slogans about "change" are thrown around, they have my vote, BECAUSE THE OTHER OPTIONS SUCK.

If you think a 33% tax rate is bad, no matter your income level, just vote the way you are thinking, you haven't seen anything yet.

[HRTV]

If predujice against Muslims is quantified by not liking folks who cut other folks heads off, primarily US citizens and any others who disagree with them, then count me in with Pat Wright. Whatever else you think about the present administration, they have realized that there are people out there that hate us, and our way of life, and will do nothing to stop us from existing on this earth. Because they live in the real world and not a dream one that some folks just hope will exist if more fancy slogans about "change" are thrown around, they have my vote, BECAUSE THE OTHER OPTIONS SUCK.

If you think a 33% tax rate is bad, no matter your income levrel, just vote the way you are thinking, you haven't seen anything yet.

Hey Bill so what ever happen to those weapons of mass destruction ?????

[Cameraboy]

There are a lot of people in tough financial postions today. A lot of them got themselves into their respective predictaments. Why is it the government's job to bail them out, by using tax dollars? (I am not talking about victims of natural disasters).

But are you talking about investment bankers on Wall Street that packaged junk mortgages into derivatives that tanked, compelling the the government to bail them out to avoid tanking the entire banking system? It's not free enterprise if the government is protecting high roller investors from risk.

Interesting article in Fortune magazine a couple months ago about the future economy. The most stable domestic jobs will be those that are place-based - where the work has to be done on US soil (like pouring concrete). Manufacturing, communications, technology, yes even solving problems on big deals will eventually be done offshore by people that will do it for less money and less benefits. And we'll sit back and let it happen because it is good for the bottom line.

The question to ask yourself is whose bottom line is it good for? Has the rising tide truly lifted all boats? Globally, yes. Domestically, not so much. Shipping a lot of jobs offshore that were once done here has changed the nature of the middle class and increased the divide (I'll let someone else play the illegal immigration card on that one) between wealthy and not so weathly - I don't think one can really give Mr. Obama credit for driving the wedge, only possibly exploiting it.

Hey 112R - didn't know you hated yourself

[PopPop]

Politics

Doesn't politics belong somewhere other than on Hydroracer? We come here and go racin' for escape for a while.

[ricochet112]

YEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWW

[HRTV]

Doesn't politics belong somewhere other than on Hydroracer? We come here and go racin' for escape for a while.

Sorry Phil I started this

[Cameraboy]

Doesn't politics belong somewhere other than on Hydroracer? We come here and go racin' for escape for a while.

I came here the Super D Thunderbolt thread!

[raceright]

Official Definition of DEMOCRACY v REPUBLIC
NOTE
Here are four (4) facsimile section reproductions taken from a 156 page book officially compiled and issued by the U.S. War Department, November 30, 1928, setting forth exact and truthful definitions of a Democracy and of a Republic, explaining the difference between both.


These definitions were published by the authority of the United States Government and must be accepted as authentic in any court of proper jurisdiction.


These precise and scholarly definitions of a Democracy and a Republic were carefully considered as a proper guide for U.S. soldiers and U.S. citizens by th Chief of Staff of the United States Army.

Such definitions take precedence over any "definition" that may be found in the present commercial dictionaries which have suffered periodical "modification" to please "the powers in office.


Shortly after the "bank holiday" in the thirties, hush-hush orders from the White House suddenly demanded that all copies of this book be withdrawn from the Government Printing Office and the Army posts, to be suppressed and destroyed without explanation. This was the beginning of the complete red control of the Government from within, not from without.
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Prepared under the direction of the Chief of Staff.

CITIZENSHIP
This manual supersedes Manual of Citizenship Training The use of the publication "The Constitution of the United States," by Harry Atwood, is by permission and courtesy of the author.

CITIZENSHIP Democracy:
A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression. Results in mobocracy.

Attitude toward property is communistic--negating property rights.

Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences.

Results in demogogism, licese, agitation, discontent, anarchy

CITIZENSHIP Republic:
Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences.

A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy.

Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.

Is the "standard form" of government throughout the world.

A republic is a form o government under a constitution which provides for the election of
(1) an executive and
(2) a legislative body, who working together in a representative capacity, have all the power of appointment, all power of legislation, all power to raise revenue and appropriate expenditures, and are required to create
(3) a judiciary to pass upon the justice and legality of their government acts and to recognize
(4) certain inhernt individual rights.
Take away any one or more of those four elements and you are drifting into autocracy. Add one or more to those four elements and you are drifting into democracy.

Atwood. Superior to all others.--Autocracy declares the divine right of kings; its authority can not be questioned; its powers are arbitrarily or unjustly administered.

Democracy is the "direct" rule of the people and has been repeatedly tried without success.
Our Constitutional fathers, familiar with the strength and weakness of both autocracy and democracy, with fixed principles definitely in mind, defined a representative republican form of government.

They "made a very marked distinction between a republic and a democracy * * * and said repeatedly and emphatically that they had founded a republic."
"By order of the Secretary of War: C.P. Summerall, Major General, Chief of Staff. Official: Lutz Wahl, Major General, The Adjutant General.


WHY DEMOCRACIES FAIL
A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government.

It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury.
From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that Democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a Dictatorship.

(Written by Professor Alexander Fraser Tytler, nearly two centuries ago while our thirteen original states were still colonies of Great Britain. At the time he was writing of the decline and fall of the Athenian Republic over two thousand years before.


"Did I say "Republic?" By God, yes, I said "republic!" Long live the glorious republic of the United States of America


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I can remember Bill Clinton saying in many instances that we had a "Democracy" as a form of gov.
Obama sounds sorta' the same to me only worse.
RichardKCMo
btw McCain seems the lesser of 2 liars at this point, not saying much though.

Well Said

Pat

[raceright]

Are you better off today than you were 8 years ago?

Something has to change before we go into a full depression.

A Republican Congress (for the first 6 years) and a Bush/Cheney double whammy for 8 years has damaged America for decades to come.

Osama hasn't been captured because he has royal Saudi blood in him and the Bush family and the Royal Saudi family are in bed together.

Yes I'm better off and not because of the goverment Its called hard work.
Oh I have another bridge Interested

Pat

[HRTV]

Well Said

Pat

All in favor of letting Pat have the final post here ? I'm done with it, see you in November at the ballot box talk is cheap!

[raceright]

If you want real change vote for the Obama. Boy things will change and you will not like it at all.

Agreed as I have said way to go Bill

[raceright]

If predujice against Muslims is quantified by not liking folks who cut other folks heads off, primarily US citizens and any others who disagree with them, then count me in with Pat Wright. Whatever else you think about the present administration, they have realized that there are people out there that hate us, and our way of life, and will do nothing to stop us from existing on this earth. Because they live in the real world and not a dream one that some folks just hope will exist if more fancy slogans about "change" are thrown around, they have my vote, BECAUSE THE OTHER OPTIONS SUCK.

If you think a 33% tax rate is bad, no matter your income level, just vote the way you are thinking, you haven't seen anything yet.

Holly geez we agree amen
Pat

[David Weaver]

The Instigator

Pretty good thread uh Dave lets see what my next thread topic will be cant say I don't keep things lively around here.

Dan,

You can be a shi* disturber!! Thanks for keeping us thinking!! Nothing wrong with debate.

[David Weaver]

I agree

If predujice against Muslims is quantified by not liking folks who cut other folks heads off, primarily US citizens and any others who disagree with them, then count me in with Pat Wright. Whatever else you think about the present administration, they have realized that there are people out there that hate us, and our way of life, and will do nothing to stop us from existing on this earth. Because they live in the real world and not a dream one that some folks just hope will exist if more fancy slogans about "change" are thrown around, they have my vote, BECAUSE THE OTHER OPTIONS SUCK.

If you think a 33% tax rate is bad, no matter your income level, just vote the way you are thinking, you haven't seen anything yet.

Bill,

I am hoping it will only be 33% before the state of Georgia grabs its piece!!

DW

[raceright]

Hey Bill so what ever happen to those weapons of mass destruction ?????

Wow you might buy my bridge , wmds huh well one of two things both say to much goverment sucks.
1. they found them and there was a stamp saying made in the USA
2. they didn't find any and were to stupid to plant some saying made in USSR.

Thats politics started with George ,not Bush Washington

Pat
How about a skyscraper