Its time for change!

[raceright]

I personally do not want to see 4 more years of the same course that has lead us to the quagmire in Iraq. That has led us to energy and cost of living expenses that could very well spell the end of at least our teams racing. I understand that this venue will be decidedly tipped to the conservative and I can appreciate that.

My views:

Invest in our infrastructure.

Commit ourselves to becoming oil independent, not just foreign oil independent by researching clean renewable energy solutions.

Invest in the education and futures of our young people so they can be competitive in the global market of the future.

Bring our troops home and make sure they are fully supported and honored.

Return the USA to its place of respect and leadership amongst the nations of the world!

Obama can do it!

Obama 08'

Son the entertainer has you fooled also. Congress and the senate sold out years ago not our Presidents. The respect you talk about the USA only gets from non Jealous nations
Like England and Ireland. Others never had respect for us and never will.
Young people being educated is great but we have a totally screwed up public education system that should be privatized or at least vouchered (need more accountability)

Your goverment is out of control and is now directly in competition with the private sector totally against the constitution as founded. Free enterprize has to be free
and it no longer is.

Pat Wright

[Kev43V]

And so could Craig Dewald, but congress would hold it up while they added on a provision to provide health care to convicted terrorists and performed a study to determine if the termite is affected by the noise from a 125 hydro.

ROFL yes and put a guard around the prop so nothing can reach it....including the wind

[HRTV]

Son the entertainer has you fooled also. Congress and the senate sold out years ago not our Presidents. The respect you talk about the USA only gets from non Jealous nations
Like England and Ireland. Others never had respect for us and never will.
Young people being educated is great but we have a totally screwed up public education system that should be privatized or at least vouchered (need more accountability)

Your goverment is out of control and is now directly in competition with the private sector totally against the constitution as founded. Free enterprize has to be free
and it no longer is.

Pat Wright

Ok Pat so what is the answer how do we make a change in this country? Right now as we speak millions of Americans have no heath insurance, the common utilities disconnection rate across the country is at an all time high! Foreclosure rates are sky rocketing, the price of gas and food is at record high levels, we have lost thousands of young lives to the Iraq war…. My God man how can you stand behind this current administration or even worst cast your vote for more of the same old thing! Its time for a change Pat I don’t care who it is we must have change!

The vast majority of Americans are at the breaking point and something has got to give! I dont think you have a clue how many Americans are sitting in the dark at night because they cant pay the electric bill or put food on the table, get a grip Pat its not all roses right now!

[Kev43V]

NEWS FLASH!!
New energy source identified then abandoned.
a pilot study failed. the idea was to channel all the lobbyist's and lawyer's (sorry Ed lol) hot air to a turbine to generate electricity. they generated twice the power expected. but due to air quality dropping 4 times more than they expected. the idea has since been abandoned

[David Weaver]

Priorities and Responsibilities

Ok Pat so what is the answer how do we make a change in this country? Right now as we speak millions of Americans have no heath insurance, the common utilities disconnection rate across the country is at an all time high! Foreclosure rates are sky rocketing, the price of gas and food is at record high levels, we have lost thousands of young lives to the Iraq war…. My God man how can you stand behind this current administration or even worst cast your vote for more of the same old thing! Its time for a change Pat I don’t care who it is we must have change!

The vast majority of Americans are at the breaking point and something has got to give!

In my opinion, the vast majority iof Amercians are enjoying one of the highest standards of life in the world. Is it perfect in the old USA? No, we all agree on that.

There are a lot of people in tough financial postions today. A lot of them got themselves into their respective predictaments. Why is it the government's job to bail them out, by using tax dollars? (I am not talking about victims of natural disasters). How many people facing foreclsoure kept the DISH Network or Cable running until the very end? How many people managed to keep smoking cigarettes while not paying for health insurance? We have safety nets both through the governement and through social organizations.

Economic cycles come and go. Presidents get too much credit for the good times and too much blame for the bad times. What our governemnt seems to do is delay the recovery and then bounce the recovery once it is working on its own.

Maybe if we had started drilling more domestically earlier the oil and gas situation would not be so bad now. Maybe, Maybe, Maybe...

We are where we are. A lot things came together at the same time to cause a real bad patch in the economy. We will get through it with some pain and come out the other side with another long good run. We are taking a lot pain quickly, so I expect that the recovery will start sooner than might otherwise have been the case. Information moves much faster today.

I would like to commend the particpants for not attcking one another on a touchy subject. Let's see if the candidates can do the same in the election!!

[Tim Small]

Usts Board

To David Weaver and Pat Wright. I am proud to say I voted for both of you to be USTS board members. You deserve a 2 year term extention for your view points.

[David Weaver]

Really Tim

To David Weaver and Pat Wright. I am proud to say I voted for both of you to be USTS board members. You deserve a 2 year term extention for your view points.

Because I was going to vote out those funny looking canoes with engines on the back of them. Bounceabouts is what I think they are called!!!

They crashed too much over the past weekend. But, so did the hydro's come to think of it. Oh well, we can keep'em.

I would like to normalize relations with Cuba, so you can have access to those fine cigars!!

[MGallagher]

Dow chemicals raised there prices 25% today! Weeeeeeee! However I was a bartender for a private party for a seminar with one of the leading economists professors in the country and he said we should see the gas prices even out or even go down very soon! LOL!

[raceright]

Ok Pat so what is the answer how do we make a change in this country? Right now as we speak millions of Americans have no heath insurance, the common utilities disconnection rate across the country is at an all time high! Foreclosure rates are sky rocketing, the price of gas and food is at record high levels, we have lost thousands of young lives to the Iraq war…. My God man how can you stand behind this current administration or even worst cast your vote for more of the same old thing! Its time for a change Pat I don’t care who it is we must have change!

The vast majority of Americans are at the breaking point and something has got to give! I dont think you have a clue how many Americans are sitting in the dark at night because they cant pay the electric bill or put food on the table, get a grip Pat its not all roses right now!

Well lets see as I do not have all the answers I'll try and give you some of mine. Hate the word change because the changes we have had in this country that I have see since
Lyndon Johnson's great society are the cause of our problems so change so far has not been the best,(example the gas prices have changed and not for the good) so just change is like a lottery ticket, only a chance. And Obama will make it worse not better. I'm not a fan of McCain but believe he is the lesser of two evils.
Because Congress did not allow Drilling in Anwar and Offshore we are faced with gas shortages that we will never know what would of happened if 20 years ago oil Co's would have been allowed to drill and refine. (goverment in the way again)
When at the APBA meeting in Detroit (as always in a new city) I drove around. Detroit is an embarrassment
and the Bush Adm. had nothing to do with that.
If I was to give any advice to anyone it would be to allow the Free Enterprise system that made this nation great and has now been destroyed by Unions , Environmental rhetoric, Greedy Public schools,Minority favoritism and many other Government give aways to once again be the rule of the land.

You see to many lazy people voted for change before hoping they would get more than they deserve and I suspect this is about to happen again.

You are not guranteed happiness in the USA just the right to persue it as our forefathers set up in the Constitution.

Like I said your Government is now a business how else
would Slick Willie have mad $40,000,000.00 since he left office. Certainly not with his abilities as a Lawyer(right Ed)
but with ability to fool people,probably one of the best
salesman since PT Barnum. And now Obama hold onto your wallet if you have money and if not learn how to say you want fries with that.
We are all controlled with the money we have and the only way to control you government is to not give them so much money (called less taxes not more,redistribution of wealth does not work cause the wealthy will go play somewhere else), Poor cant move Just like New Orleans
thats why it was such a disaster they could not afford to get out. Why could they not afford it I would rather not say on the Webb you get my meaning if you have read this.
Been said before and I'll say it again you get the Goverment you desirve and it is not all about the President.
The Libs have done everything they could to destroy your country because they hate the fact that Bush won your country is not considered only Hate drives them.


Pat Wright

[ricochet112]

Oh My God (I have a bridge for sale) If you believe the bull
you just posted please stay where you are or Go to Florida and visit Mickey you could have a wonderful conversation.
Bet you hate your boss also,Rich don't pay taxes directly they pass it on to the consumer like they should.Ever work for a poor guy???? Hey guess what congress OKed this Iraq war after they cut a US civilian's head off live on the web, oh I forgot Osama also did a little more damage in my NYC then the Japs in Peal Harbor(lost over 300,000 americans in WW2) defending the US. Obama Osama HMMMMMMMM
Pat Wright

No, I'm self employed (sole proprietor) and pay more than 33% in taxes, more % than most large corps. I'm about $25,000 shy of gross income to make a LLC pay off

Your prejudice against Muslims is proof that (our Constitution states freedom of religion) being a religion neutral nation is critical for a free and fair nation.

[csh2z]

The only problem I have with the current administration is they are waaaay too LIBERAL!

[RichardKCMo]

Democracy!!!

Official Definition of DEMOCRACY v REPUBLIC
NOTE
Here are four (4) facsimile section reproductions taken from a 156 page book officially compiled and issued by the U.S. War Department, November 30, 1928, setting forth exact and truthful definitions of a Democracy and of a Republic, explaining the difference between both.


These definitions were published by the authority of the United States Government and must be accepted as authentic in any court of proper jurisdiction.


These precise and scholarly definitions of a Democracy and a Republic were carefully considered as a proper guide for U.S. soldiers and U.S. citizens by th Chief of Staff of the United States Army.

Such definitions take precedence over any "definition" that may be found in the present commercial dictionaries which have suffered periodical "modification" to please "the powers in office.


Shortly after the "bank holiday" in the thirties, hush-hush orders from the White House suddenly demanded that all copies of this book be withdrawn from the Government Printing Office and the Army posts, to be suppressed and destroyed without explanation. This was the beginning of the complete red control of the Government from within, not from without.
-------------------

Prepared under the direction of the Chief of Staff.

CITIZENSHIP
This manual supersedes Manual of Citizenship Training The use of the publication "The Constitution of the United States," by Harry Atwood, is by permission and courtesy of the author.

CITIZENSHIP Democracy:
A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression. Results in mobocracy.

Attitude toward property is communistic--negating property rights.

Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences.

Results in demogogism, licese, agitation, discontent, anarchy

CITIZENSHIP Republic:
Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences.

A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy.

Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.

Is the "standard form" of government throughout the world.

A republic is a form o government under a constitution which provides for the election of
(1) an executive and
(2) a legislative body, who working together in a representative capacity, have all the power of appointment, all power of legislation, all power to raise revenue and appropriate expenditures, and are required to create
(3) a judiciary to pass upon the justice and legality of their government acts and to recognize
(4) certain inhernt individual rights.
Take away any one or more of those four elements and you are drifting into autocracy. Add one or more to those four elements and you are drifting into democracy.

Atwood. Superior to all others.--Autocracy declares the divine right of kings; its authority can not be questioned; its powers are arbitrarily or unjustly administered.

Democracy is the "direct" rule of the people and has been repeatedly tried without success.
Our Constitutional fathers, familiar with the strength and weakness of both autocracy and democracy, with fixed principles definitely in mind, defined a representative republican form of government.

They "made a very marked distinction between a republic and a democracy * * * and said repeatedly and emphatically that they had founded a republic."
"By order of the Secretary of War: C.P. Summerall, Major General, Chief of Staff. Official: Lutz Wahl, Major General, The Adjutant General.


WHY DEMOCRACIES FAIL
A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government.

It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury.
From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that Democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a Dictatorship.

(Written by Professor Alexander Fraser Tytler, nearly two centuries ago while our thirteen original states were still colonies of Great Britain. At the time he was writing of the decline and fall of the Athenian Republic over two thousand years before.


"Did I say "Republic?" By God, yes, I said "republic!" Long live the glorious republic of the United States of America


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I can remember Bill Clinton saying in many instances that we had a "Democracy" as a form of gov.
Obama sounds sorta' the same to me only worse.
RichardKCMo
btw McCain seems the lesser of 2 liars at this point, not saying much though.

[ricochet112]

Well lets see as I do not have all the answers I'll try and give you some of mine. Hate the word change because the changes we have had in this country that I have see since
Lyndon Johnson's great society are the cause of our problems so change so far has not been the best,(example the gas prices have changed and not for the good) so just change is like a lottery ticket, only a chance. And Obama will make it worse not better. I'm not a fan of McCain but believe he is the lesser of two evils.
Because Congress did not allow Drilling in Anwar and Offshore we are faced with gas shortages that we will never know what would of happened if 20 years ago oil Co's would have been allowed to drill and refine. (goverment in the way again)
When at the APBA meeting in Detroit (as always in a new city) I drove around. Detroit is an embarrassment
and the Bush Adm. had nothing to do with that.
If I was to give any advice to anyone it would be to allow the Free Enterprise system that made this nation great and has now been destroyed by Unions , Environmental rhetoric, Greedy Public schools,Minority favoritism and many other Government give aways to once again be the rule of the land.

You see to many lazy people voted for change before hoping they would get more than they deserve and I suspect this is about to happen again.

You are not guaranteed happiness in the USA just the right to persue it as our forefathers set up in the Constitution.

Like I said your Government is now a business how else
would Slick Willie have mad $40,000,000.00 since he left office. Certainly not with his abilities as a Lawyer(right Ed)
but with ability to fool people,probably one of the best
salesman since PT Barnum. And now Obama hold onto your wallet if you have money and if not learn how to say you want fries with that.
We are all controlled with the money we have and the only way to control you government is to not give them so much money (called less taxes not more,redistribution of wealth does not work cause the wealthy will go play somewhere else), Poor cant move Just like New Orleans
thats why it was such a disaster they could not afford to get out. Why could they not afford it I would rather not say on the Webb you get my meaning if you have read this.
Been said before and I'll say it again you get the Goverment you desirve and it is not all about the President.
The Libs have done everything they could to destroy your country because they hate the fact that Bush won your country is not considered only Hate drives them.


Pat Wright

Are you better off today than you were 8 years ago?

Something has to change before we go into a full depression.

A Republican Congress (for the first 6 years) and a Bush/Cheney double whammy for 8 years has damaged America for decades to come.

Osama hasn't been captured because he has royal Saudi blood in him and the Bush family and the Royal Saudi family are in bed together.

[bill boyes]

If you want real change vote for the Obama. Boy things will change and you will not like it at all.

[HRTV]

In my opinion, the vast majority iof Amercians are enjoying one of the highest standards of life in the world. Is it perfect in the old USA? No, we all agree on that.

There are a lot of people in tough financial postions today. A lot of them got themselves into their respective predictaments. Why is it the government's job to bail them out, by using tax dollars? (I am not talking about victims of natural disasters). How many people facing foreclsoure kept the DISH Network or Cable running until the very end? How many people managed to keep smoking cigarettes while not paying for health insurance? We have safety nets both through the governement and through social organizations.

Economic cycles come and go. Presidents get too much credit for the good times and too much blame for the bad times. What our governemnt seems to do is delay the recovery and then bounce the recovery once it is working on its own.

Maybe if we had started drilling more domestically earlier the oil and gas situation would not be so bad now. Maybe, Maybe, Maybe...

We are where we are. A lot things came together at the same time to cause a real bad patch in the economy. We will get through it with some pain and come out the other side with another long good run. We are taking a lot pain quickly, so I expect that the recovery will start sooner than might otherwise have been the case. Information moves much faster today.

I would like to commend the particpants for not attcking one another on a touchy subject. Let's see if the candidates can do the same in the election!!

Pretty good thread uh Dave lets see what my next thread topic will be cant say I don't keep things lively around here.