SO Chairman

[Steve Warnock]

Ed Speaks!

As a past SOVP (1990-1994) Ed's words are correct. You may have veiws and visions, but its the SORC memebers that make the decisions that counts. Those are the peoples that really make policy.

Warbs

[Dr. Thunder]

Just for the record myself and TJ are region 6 commisioners(elected last Sunday along with Jeff Brewster.) I know most of the commisioners who have served the last 3 years and feel they have confidence in my abilty to move the Stock Catagory forward.

Looks like you and TJ will be canceling out each others vote ... unless you vote for TJ

[csh2z]

One major problem I see is I believe it should be a secret ballot vote. Knowing how each commissioner voted will cause friction. We need to work together to be successful and a phone vote will be divisive. Since this procedure began, S.O. has not had more than one candidate. Now however with three people interested in the job the new chairman may not feel he has the support of the whole commission.

[les]

One major problem I see is I believe it should be a secret ballot vote. Knowing how each commissioner voted will cause friction. We need to work together to be successful and a phone vote will be divisive. Since this procedure began, S.O. has not had more than one candidate. Now however with three people interested in the job the new chairman may not feel he has the support of the whole commission.

John,
I have to respectfully disagree. Secrecy will cause friction, And a lack of transparency may have helped get us in our current position.
If we can not find leaders who can disagree at times, But still work together, The category is in serious trouble.
Larry Spencer

[csh2z]

What I'm suggesting is that the purpose of the conference call would be for the commissioners to ask some questions and the candidates to present a platform. The voting should be done either by written ballot or e-mail direct to APBA. Personal relationships and friendships should not be at stake when making this kind of decision. As a voter, I prefer that my vote remain mine. I don't want to favor one friend over another as I believe that would possibly damage a long time friendship. Also the winner should be announced as the winner only, without a vote count made public, not even to the commission. That would protect the unity of the commission.

[mike ross]

John as a person running for this position I agree with your thinking totally. 2 of us are going to be on the commision so this will be good to not know the count or who voted for who. Mike

[raceright]

What I'm suggesting is that the purpose of the conference call would be for the commissioners to ask some questions and the candidates to present a platform. The voting should be done either by written ballot or e-mail direct to APBA. Personal relationships and friendships should not be at stake when making this kind of decision. As a voter, I prefer that my vote remain mine. I don't want to favor one friend over another as I believe that would possibly damage a long time friendship. Also the winner should be announced as the winner only, without a vote count made public, not even to the commission. That would protect the unity of the commission.

This amazes me just amazes me I donot feel like typing enought to give all my thought's on this only have one thing to say Stock outboard you should know who voted for who then you can work out differences with some
who disagree.

Pat

[14-H]

Secret Ballot Nonsense

This secret ballot crap is exactly the type of side-fin, sissy stuff that I was talking about that the Chairman cannot have. Neither should the commissioners!

Commissioners are elected by the members at the region meetings. The people who elected the commissioners have a right to know what their commissioners are doing and for whom the commissioner has voted. You don't see Congress taking secret votes. All of their votes are recorded and you can look up and see how your representative or senator cast his/her vote. If you don't like the way they vote, then you don't vote for them again. That's the name of the game. And if you will get upset if your friends don't vote for you when you run for Chairman, then you are not qualified for the job!

Friendships are for after the meetings are over, not between the call-to-order and the adjournment. If you can't stand the heat, let me suggest to you that you should not be in the kitchen, as they say.

[14-H]

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If we can not find leaders who can disagree at times, But still work together, The category is in serious trouble.
Larry Spencer

Amen, brother! Quite frankly, it is exactly these types of personal offenses people take from decisions by the SORC that make the Chairman's job so difficult at times. Eddie.

[14-H]

So the current Chairman ... serve[s] until a new Chairman is elected? ***.

This is technically correct. The by-laws and Robert's Rules state that the prior person's service does not end until the replacement has been elected and takes office. In practice, however, there is usually nothing going on for that approximate two-week period.

I pray for a quick call-to-order on that meeting, though! Eddie.

[Big Don]

I also agree on no secret vote. If someone dislikes me for how I voted...so be it. Friends will be friends no matter what, and if not, then they probably were not a good friend anyways.

[Dr. Thunder]

This is technically correct. The by-laws and Robert's Rules state that the prior person's service does not end until the replacement has been elected and takes office. In practice, however, there is usually nothing going on for that approximate two-week period.

I pray for a quick call-to-order on that meeting, though! Eddie.

I know that the election of the new Chairman needs to take place by November 30 but what I don't understand is why defer to the Sr. VP to call the meeting ... why isn't that meeting called and chaired by the then sitting Chairman ... you? Just splitting more hairs!

Agree that the vote should not be by secret ballot ... the Region membership have a right to know how their elected (some just elected) Commissioners vote on all issues considered by the SORC. This would actually take the heat off of the SORC members and the Chair!

[csh2z]

I never suggested that the members of my region not know who I support for the Chairman position. In fact, that should be among the primary topics of your regional category meeting. The members of the region should be instructing their commissioner who to support. The written (secret) ballot is how all other elections within APBA are done. We elect the APBA Board of Directors and the vote count is made public, but none of the elected members know who supported them. In this case with only a small number of voters knowing who supported who could create different factions working against each other. Since this method has been used we have not had more than one candidate for this position so why not prevent a possible problem and at the same time maintain a consistant means of the election process throughout APBA.

[W-88]

hi marc, this is marty stahl. Thanks a lot for thinking about me -- I appreciate it. See you in Florida!

[raceright]

This secret ballot crap is exactly the type of side-fin, sissy stuff that I was talking about that the Chairman cannot have. Neither should the commissioners!

Commissioners are elected by the members at the region meetings. The people who elected the commissioners have a right to know what their commissioners are doing and for whom the commissioner has voted. You don't see Congress taking secret votes. All of their votes are recorded and you can look up and see how your representative or senator cast his/her vote. If you don't like the way they vote, then you don't vote for them again. That's the name of the game. And if you will get upset if your friends don't vote for you when you run for Chairman, then you are not qualified for the job!

Friendships are for after the meetings are over, not between the call-to-order and the adjournment. If you can't stand the heat, let me suggest to you that you should not be in the kitchen, as they say.

I find myself in agreement with you Ed (holy sh----) many responses to this post of yours are right on and Mr Runne is not of the same opinion but that is his right and if the ballot is open live with it

Pat