SO Chairman

[Big Don]

Dr. Thunder you are absolutely correct. I also think Ed has done a great job. While I don’t always agree with him I feel he has done a great job and thank him for his service.

The chairman leads/runs/advises the commissioners but really does not have a lot of power. The commission has the power so when you are electing your commissioners find out where they stand.

[DougMc]

Doug here is why it just states Kevlar if its mandated a certain kind then it opens up law suits against APBA as if a certain type is required and someone gets cut , hurt or maimaned then APBA is lible this is why the Helmit rules were changed to just say DOT approved. See even with a waver signed there are some rights you cant sign away.

Your name is George, not TJ. Are you an APBA official or are you speaking for yourself?
I respectfully disagree with you. Heat or abrasion resistant kevlar is much different than cut resistant kevlar. Using heat or abrasion resistant may create a heat or abrasion suit, but it would not create a cut suit. This is now known. To not act opens up APBA/AOF/NBRA to lawsuits.

Your logic George would lead to us not having helmets, lifejackets, flack in jackets, height and tuck rules or cut suits.

[Big Don]

It does not even say Kevlar does it? I don’t have a rule book here at work but I believe it just says cut resistant pants and sleeves. Problem with that is who determines what is cut resistant and to what degree?

[DougMc]

It does not even say Kevlar does it? I don’t have a rule book here at work but I believe it just says cut resistant pants and sleeves. Problem with that is who determines what is cut resistant and to what degree?

Ah, you have asked an important question. The answer is the Dupont Kevlar cloth manufacturer. There are many types of Kevlar. Some types are made for cut resistance. Others are made for heat resistance or abbraision resistance. So, for example, it would be very misleading to market, promote or approve heat resistant Kevlar as a cut reistant suit. Thus my desire to have the new Stock Outboard Chairman push for a safety rule change with the proper authority. I will be asking the same of the Pro and Mod. Would be a real shame for a J parent to send their 9 year old out on the race course with a heat or abbraision resistant Kevlar suit thinking it was made of a cut resistant Kevlar. Besides the openess to lawsuits, think of the human costs and guilt of knowing that perhaps the injury could have been prevented or at least less severe.

The research has already been conducted by Dupont Kevlar on its own cloths and suggested uses and is online or available from the company.

[raceright]

...Also if you have read the financial reports he will have alot of influence as to how $40,000.00 will be spent ...

Top Hydro[/QUOTE]

I know you didn't say this but I doubt that the Chairman has blank check authority regardless of how good his ideas might be ...

PS: What budget line item reflects the 40K?[/QUOTE]

190 yes there is a process to use this money and for some reason this process is quite difficult something the new Board should fix. (people are scared to spend because they do not know what to spend on)

Pat

[raceright]

The chairman has less control than some of you may think. His primary job function is to assemble the agenda for the national meeting, conduct the meeting and appoint and keep on top of the various committees to accomplish what has been approved at the national meeting. The agenda is created by the membership. Any current SO member can submit a rule for the agenda either independently or through his commissioner. The chairman doesn't even have a vote on an issue except in the case of a tie breaker. Ed was an excellent chairman, most of the duties throughout the year are administrative, dealing with sanctions and deadlines and APBA business.

Sound like an important job to me control or not he is the go to guy and will have much influence...Also why is everyone defending Ed weather you think he did a good job or not has nothing to do with TJ Believe he is being quite candid at this point just trying to help him along.

Pat Wright
Top Hydro N711 because in the end there can only be one

[raceright]

Dr. Thunder you are absolutely correct. I also think Ed has done a great job. While I don’t always agree with him I feel he has done a great job and thank him for his service.

The chairman leads/runs/advises the commissioners but really does not have a lot of power. The commission has the power so when you are electing your commissioners find out where they stand.

Yes this is a thankless job requiring much effort and time and money so yes.
Ed does need to be thanked and not defended

Pat

[sam]

Ah, you have asked an important question. The answer is the Dupont Kevlar cloth manufacturer. There are many types of Kevlar. Some types are made for cut resistance

Since the rule says "cut resistant" material and not "Kevlar" ... you have already answered your own question.

[DougMc]

Since the rule says "cut resistant" material and not "Kevlar" ... you have already answered your own question.

Your name is Sam, not TJ. Sam, I asked you some years back to please refrain from posting on my posts.

[tj15m]

Doug,
Safety is of the utmost importance. Submit your proposal to whoever is elected SO chairman and or to a SO commissioner.
TJ

[DougMc]

Doug,
Safety is of the utmost importance. Submit your proposal to whoever is elected SO chairman and or to a SO commissioner.
TJ

Will do. I'm also conducting cut suit material testing and I will submit the results. I plan to test types of Kevlar and layers.

[G Stillwill]

Your name is George, not TJ. Are you an APBA official or are you speaking for yourself?
I respectfully disagree with you. Heat or abrasion resistant kevlar is much different than cut resistant kevlar. Using heat or abrasion resistant may create a heat or abrasion suit, but it would not create a cut suit. This is now known. To not act opens up APBA/AOF/NBRA to lawsuits.

Your logic George would lead to us not having helmets, lifejackets, flack in jackets, height and tuck rules or cut suits.

Doug where do you come off with what my logic is you asked why and I told you why its not in the book plain an simple. For your imformation I have had flack in my jacket for the past four years, have one of the most expensive helmets that you can buy and all my boat have reinforced sides so dont come around that my logic is not for safety. If you read the specs on our cut suits you would know that they are made of Kevlar 29 balistic Aramid fiber and not Kevlar 49 which is structual for laminates. Im for anything to make the sport safer but the bottom line is no matter what you add what we do is dangerious and you can get hurt.

[PopPop]

"kevlar"

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K29 Kevlar

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I need to keep this in fairly general terms, because I know that there is ongoing research by Bob Wartinger and others being done on different grades of Kevlar, and that different manufacturers use different grades of Kevlar.

What you need to understand is that saying a piece of safety equipment is made from K29 Kevlar is like saying you own a Ford (or Chevy or Dodge or whatever) Truck.

Beyond the overall broad spec of K29 Kevlar, there are many different subcategories and weaves of K29 Kevlar, as Doug has mentioned previously. Some Kevlars are better suited for abrasion and/or heat resistance. Some are stronger on the cut resistant side.

So, just because a product is made from K29 Kevlar, that doesn't necessarily tell you that it is suitable for the required level of protection our sport requires, any more than a Ford Ranger or Chevy S10 is going to be suitable for pulling a 5000 lb+ racing trailer. Just something to think about.

R-19

[G Stillwill]

Interesting reading here with specs

http://www.armorco.com/shop/custom.asp?recid=12