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[Merc1]

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[pro350hydro]

Before all you blow a gasket on fencing I have a question; Do any of you know what the fencing issue, wrist bands and K&K dropping us have in common and why were in this situation?

I "heard" K&K made some surprise visits to races last year and there were people in the hot pits who didn't have wrist bands on and/or didn't sign the waiver.

Am I right?

If this is correct, then the racers/race officials did this to themselves by not controlling the people allowed to be in the hot pits without the proper release and wrist band. In my opinion race official or not, each and every racer/team member should help the officials police this issue at any event.

[pro350hydro]

Honestly I feel the whole K&K thing is a crock of BS.

Crock of BS or not, they are holding the cards. And somewhere somehow we as (racers and officials) didn't play by the rules (if my post above is correct). So there is no one to blame except for racers/officials themselves. I'm not pointing any fingers, but everyone as a whole is to blame if that makes sense.

[bill boyes]

The subject was to keep 5 years old's from getting through. Along with the snow fence we will need stakes also. We have no choice if we want to have insurance and continue to race. Many of you can complain and will not do jack to contribute to hosting an event. So just post,whine and complain and polish your rig in the garage as without insurance we do not race. Dan, you have your foot in your mouth again. Learn THE FACTS BEFORE TO POP OFF!!!!

[Jack Stotts]

Hopefully the insurance folks can provide some definitions. Hot pits mean different things to different folks. As mentioned, boats sitting on carts is similar to walking through a spectator parking lot at a NASCAR race whereas the area close to where boats are being launched and dry fired is different. Limiting access to the launching area makes sence. Fencing off the set up area does not. I think we need to get some clarification from the insurance carrier as to just what they want. Jack

[thepiranhabros]

Correct-a-mundo.

Crock of BS or not, they are holding the cards. And somewhere somehow we as (racers and officials) didn't play by the rules (if my post above is correct). So there is no one to blame except for racers/officials themselves. I'm not pointing any fingers, but everyone as a whole is to blame if that makes sense.

Both this and your previous post are exactly right.

[thepiranhabros]

Farewell

Honestly I feel the whole K&K thing is a crock of BS. When I took this photo last Sept. at the IZOD Indy race held in Baltimore the crew told me with a smile what do you think. I was less then a foot away from the car with no pit pass.

Not blowing a gasket :-) have fun!

So I can go to an Indy Car race and get close enough that the fuel fumes burn my eyes. If I decide to attend a powerboat race the trailer area is dangerous and off limits. Guess where I'm going.

Enjoy :-)

Goodbye, Dan. Have fun at Indy.

[Bill Huson]

"pit or snow fencing"

Lemme see, doubt there will be snow when we race so lets go with "pit" fencing, which turns up near zero on google search. So I say we define "pit fencing". My input, "pit fencing" shall consist of a bright yellow band 2'' to 3" wide with "CAUTION" labeled in black letters on aforementioned bright yellow band, and "pit fence" shall be erected on simple stakes or tied to trees (when available) or any other stationary object (stationary for the time span of the race) including porta-potties.

Done - we have pit fence.

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Deal done.

[DtwSailor]

Guys, we have to work with what's been handled down to us. However, it's not the end of the world. Think outside the box. For those in Chicago, see if multiple rows with a one inch gap between of caution tape will appease the insurance company. Might be a way to not keep snow fence companies in business and still keep insurance guys happy. If not, get clear definition of hot pits, and rethink how we launch our boats. I'll quote Monty python, always look on the bright side of life.....even if you don't agree with it!

[HRTV]

Bill and Michael you are both right I should know better then to post anything here on HRNET have fun guys my post has been deleted. Have a safe 2012.

Enjoy!

[29-H]

Cost of Everything Goes Up - Even Racing

" Add snow fence to the increased membership fees and the club insurance fees and you have got a real winner for sure!!"

Perhaps we've forgotten ? Hello? .. This is Motorsports folks, not Soccer.
Takes money to enjoy this kinda fun. Risk needs to be managed (insured), to reduce exposure as much as possible. It is what it is .. We Reap what we Sow, eh ? .. Yep, non-compliance our fault. (The Snow Fence thing is a cheeseball way to justify the Event Rate Increase .. but guess what.. it's valid.) Let's move on .. shall we.

With participant numbers (Income) falling, and All other Fees (Overhead/Cost) to put on an Event on the rise .. the only place to make it up is ? Increase the Entry Fee's or, find a Sponsor with Deep Pockets .. and keep that Sponsor Happy ! (work harder)

It's either that or face the eventual financial demise of your local clubs. Simple business economics really. The clubs should never be expected to take it on the financial chin for your fun, (put on Races below cost).
No "loss leader" marketing tactic here .. and the days of "makin' it up on volume" Gone.

Accept it, Pay your Money, Go Have Fun and RACE !

It's about time the rest of the Country is just now going to get to "enjoy" those Wonderful Entry Fees the Left Coast Folks have been "enjoying" now for a few years.

Raise your Fee's, get the cryin' outta the way, then .. move forward and go to work on the Real Issue .. Participation and Growth.
1980 has been gone for a long time now folks.

[T Chance]

Stock/Mod/Pro's issue is seperating cold and hot pits with a fenced barrier, could be extremely challenging for some race sites.

I bet the ticket you purchased to get into a NASCAR or Indy race is your insurance waiver for the event, they just get more $$$ to be closer ( IE pit pass).

By your own definition the actual "hot pit" of a car race would be the pit (box) crew area and the race track...just sayin'.

"It wasn't a ticket. I was part of security".

[form-e one]

how about 3 heats for finals at nats??????

[form-e one]

how about centeralising the nats as pros sorta have... sucks to travel to east coast all the time,,,, gas is expensive these days...

[G Stillwill]

There orange plastic mesh fence comes in a roll fairly cheap and easy to take up and down can be used over and over again and dont weigh much. Four ft high and 100 ft long is about 30.00