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  • pav225
    started a topic Super Nationals

    Super Nationals

    This idea was started on a separate post, but think it's worthy of a dedicated thread with some open and honest discussion/feedback...

    What is everyone's thoughts on having a "Super Nationals" that would include J/AX, Pro, Mod, and Stock? What are some of the Pros and Cons of a "Super Nationals" ?

    We were fortunate enough to get to attend the Stock/Mod/J Nationals and the Pro Nationals this summer. We had a great time at both events, but couldn't help but thinking everyone would have benefited by everyone racing together. Hopefully we can get some good discussion flowing in this thread and develop some ideas for future Nationals.

    Next year Stock and Mod will be split again. Many racers in our area will have to chose between Constantine and Wakefield. Since many will not be able to attend both, both Nationals are likely to suffer. I'm guessing it's to late to change next year, so let's hear what people think for the future.

    What are your thoughts on a "Super Nationals"?
    Last edited by pav225; 08-10-2018, 01:10 PM.

  • thetrailergod
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    Pineville La, perfect spot for this

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  • T Chance
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    I thoroughly believe that the event could be run off in 3 days. 36 classes split between 3 days would put 12 classes per day. Allow testing during the week leading up to the race. Start racing on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday around 10am and race until 5pm if needed. Keep ALL classes running under a 2 heat final/3 lap format. If eliminations are needed.. run them the same day as the class’ finals are scheduled to eliminate a lot of motor swaps, etc. Maybe looking at a new elimination format would help save some time as well. It can be done. Would just have to have a little give and take from everyone to make it successful.

    As far as 175cc Runabout. I’d say schedule it. If no one showed up to run it. Fine. But have it there just in case as it IS a legal class that could run. Allow all legal 125cc Runabouts to step up and run the class also and you never know.. could end up having the guys show up to run after all with the promise of a decent field.
    We plan on running two 125 Runabouts next year plus we have two 175 motors. A two cylinder 175 is so much more forgiving than a single cylinder 125. Given a choice we would run the 175.

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  • Bob Rusnak
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    I have said this before but if you can't get 12 boats in a final class no National Championship should be awarded. It should be up to the drivers to make sure there are enough boats in their own class. There is a big difference being crowned winning with 30 boats than winning with 6 boats. Just my opinion.

  • dil/viller
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    a simple thought from a simple mind, clubs are working hard at getting new racers to join in the sport. Some / most classes are struggling to even get to the 3 and 4 boats needed to race. Stock and Mod classes / drivers [ mostly the larger ones ] are appreciative when we see the class will race for the day. So, lot's of classes and a few boats in each is where we are at these day's. From my perspective [ being a current member of the one patch gang ], winning a national championship [ regardless of the boat count ] does means something.

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  • Bob Rusnak
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    [QUOTE=Nuch9f;n467240]Nationals have been run in the 70 deys with over 800 entires.They rain eliminations finales on Saturday and Sunday.


    I remember those days, don't think we will ever get back to the amount of entries. There were J,A,B,C,D in Hydro and runabout period. Again, we did not have as many different classes as we have now with few boats in them. Winning a national championship really meant something.

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  • Nuch9f
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    Nationals have been run in the 70 deys with over 800 entires.They rain eliminations finales on Saturday and Sunday.

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  • johnml390
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    Bumping this back to the top.

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  • johnml390
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    I know that it isn't raced but according to the USTS Rule Book it is still a class that can be run (for the USTS only of course.) I know it's no longer a class in the APBA though. But still would be cool to have it raced. I'm sure it wouldn't take much convincing to get this class to be participated in at a event such as what we are discussing. If not.. shorter schedule and more time saved. So it works out. Haha.

    This post has been great. I'm really hoping that something can come from these discussions. For the greater good of all of us.

  • DiGia54D
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    John, there is no such class as 175 runabout. That's why Rex said not to worry about them. I like what you are trying to do and would be bad ass if you get it to happen. I think in the near future you need to get on the phone with Todd Brinkman with your idea.

  • johnml390
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    Cool ideas John. Would you mind adding which motors could run in each class?
    Thanks!
    - Mike
    Whatís your email? My next available time Iím near a computer Iíll email you the little sheet I typed up while looking at all of this. (Not certain how to post it here as Iím not the most computer savvy person at times. Haha.)

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  • johnml390
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    I thoroughly believe that the event could be run off in 3 days. 36 classes split between 3 days would put 12 classes per day. Allow testing during the week leading up to the race. Start racing on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday around 10am and race until 5pm if needed. Keep ALL classes running under a 2 heat final/3 lap format. If eliminations are needed.. run them the same day as the classí finals are scheduled to eliminate a lot of motor swaps, etc. Maybe looking at a new elimination format would help save some time as well. It can be done. Would just have to have a little give and take from everyone to make it successful.

    As far as 175cc Runabout. Iíd say schedule it. If no one showed up to run it. Fine. But have it there just in case as it IS a legal class that could run. Allow all legal 125cc Runabouts to step up and run the class also and you never know.. could end up having the guys show up to run after all with the promise of a decent field.

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  • DiGia54D
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    it would be 4-5 days... No nationals is a 2 day event

  • DeanFHobart
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    Just a comment... and this has been discussed previously....... With that many classes, is there enough time between a Monday and Saturday or Sunday?

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  • hshawwpba
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    If I read the classes and do the math it would appear that you will need more than 2 days to run the event.
    If you use the 3 heat format that the Pro category runs it would eliminate the need to elimination heats in stock and mod. If you run 1 heat eliminations and then 2 final heats as stock and mod normally do (except at nationals they run 2 elimination heats) that expands the program out farther.
    Here is what I see based on looking at time to run heats and number of classes and needed elimination heats.
    36 classes time to run 3 lap heats with no delays is 9 min. with 75% of heats having eliminations would be a total of 16.2 hours needed each day to run all classes.
    Unless you have a lighted track not sure there would be enough daylight to get all classes done in 2 days!
    Plus you need to consider your support staff ( rescue, scores, inspector, ambulance staff) not sure they would sign up for a 16 hour day!
    If you run the Pro format 3 heat for all classes that would eliminate any need for elimination heats then you have 108 heats and based on 9 min. per heat and no delays ( anyone that has run a race knows there is no such thing as no delays) the time needed to run all classes would be 14.8 hours per day!
    Might get this done if you start at 6 am and run non stop until 8:30 pm each day but that would be a tall task!
    I think you could easily do it in a 3 day format but you would still be looking at long racing day each day.
    I like the idea and it would be a very cool thing to do if the 3 divisions could agree on format (that would be a big change for the stock group) based on what they normally run at national events.

    Just my thoughts on this great idea I am sure someone will maybe see something I have missed or have a improved format idea to share on this. I hope it can be worked out it would be great for the sport and fans to watch if progressive thinking can occur!

    What a great site you have proposed with all the other activities going on it would be a must attend event in my mind!
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