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  • pav225
    started a topic The Silly Season

    The Silly Season

    Once again, the “Silly Season” of racing is upon us. Let’s all try to remember that many of us are good friends, we love the sport, and we would like to see it grow…even if we propose different ideas to improve it. I think Chairman Brewster summed it up nicely at the Stock Nationals Finals banquet, when he said based on what he is seeing/hearing at the races, we are doing pretty well (those weren't the exact words, but I think it captured his thoughts). I tend to agree. No one thinks it’s perfect and that we can’t improve, but we seem to be better off than a few years ago. We have more stability in classes, people seem to be having more fun again, and we are seeing some very positive things happening in STOCK (driver’s schools, 300ssH class, new faces/folks helping out at races, etc). With that said, we should all commit to spend more time on growing the positives to help the sport instead of trying to bust each other’s chops.

    Let’s figure out our Goals and Guiding Principles and work towards that. Is it to “get more people in boats”, “put on a better show”, “make it more affordable”? Let those Goals and Principles help guide us and keep us from feeling the need to change course year after year.

    Let’s also be realistic about major changes. We have been discussing class reductions for years, without any real progress. Proposals have ticked people off, the uncertainty over future classes has driven some folks away and has caused people to hold off on buying equipment. I am not saying we wouldn’t benefit from consolidating classes, but stability can be good for the sport. Perhaps, as many have suggested, we need to let things stay as they are at the National level and address class reductions at the local level. If we do consider class consolidation, we should take a very logical approach and review the classes with lowest participation. Either develop a plan to help them grow independently, combine them with other classes with low participation, or drop them over time. Consistent with the logical approach, I would suggest that we don’t make any changes to our largest classes. This is not “protecting a trailer box” its good common sense to not cut the classes that are working the best with the false hope of growing ones that have been stagnant or declining over the years.

    I would also propose that we spend more time working together to grow a class that seems to have the right ingredients for growing but for some reason it isn’t. Before anyone gets upset, this is in no way a jab at anyone’s class, or equipment, or an attempt to call anyone out in some roundabout way. I am simply picking a class to use as an example and think of ideas for growth. I am also trying to accommodate the idea that many people don’t want to work on their equipment constantly or spend a lot of time testing. For this example, I will use BSH. Anyone who has raced BSH says it is the best ride in racing. You can also buy a new motor, so it makes a good class to focus on growing. Without ticking off the current drivers too much, how do we help grow the BSH class?
    • Does it migrate to a sealed class like the 300ssH? We’ve seen good growth in 300ssH, can we leverage this same idea to grow the BSH class?
    • Do we go one step further and make it a 1 boat make, sealed motor, same prop class? This would be similar to the old IROC series for race cars? Fabbro, RJ, or Trolian could be contracted to make all the boats out of the same mold. Sidewinder would provide the motors and perform the rebuilds. Dewald or Brinkman could make identical props.
    • Swap props at every race like 300ssH?
    • Could you go even further and require the swap of motors after each race?
    • Similar to the start of the 300ssH class, could we ask for funding from other sources and have a few rigs ready to race?
    • Should we raffle off a rig? The winner would start racing it, and use the proceeds to help purchase the next rig. I am sure a lot of people would help out by buying tickets…even though we all know Gary Pond will win it.
    • Other ways to help the class grow??
    Put a time limit on this plan and have everyone focus on its success. If the formula works, fantastic! If it doesn’t work, realize that we all worked together (even if unsuccessfully) to grow it, and then consider dropping the class. Put our collective energy into growing a class and see how successful we can be.


    Let’s try to keep this Silly Season focused on the positive parts of the sport and developing ideas to help classes grow.

    Happy Thanksgiving,
    Mike

  • pav225
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    I agree, you need a good prop, start,and boat.
    The point I was making is that you can be very competitive with a stock powerhead. It is not true to say you need to spend thousands of dollars on a motor to make it work. That does nothing to help the sport and would probably scare someone new.

  • deeougee
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    I have to agree with you guys on the stock powerhead also. Was reminded ran one for a race and did quite well (won). Had a great prop though. I do know a great engine will not overcome a great prop and setup so your definitely right on that one. Don't want newbies to get the wrong impression here. But you have to test to get the most out of you and your equipment and a bad start will nullify any equipment advantage.

  • Smitty
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    (Quote) ''but I don't see too many heads swiveling either, they just hunker down, take a line and go.'' (end Quote)

    Good, Dane. Sounds like one of the things a referee should emphasize at the driver's meeting at every race, both for novices and veterans. It's too easy to get excited, get fixated on what's immediately ahead, get tunnel vision, even when you know better. Yeah, it might get tiresome to hear it every raceday morning, but seems like a good idea anyway.
    Last edited by Smitty; 12-07-2017, 11:02 AM.

  • Matt Dagostino
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    Everyone have a wonderful Christmas holiday and look forward to most of you next year! I will bring the Martini's!

    Herb.............not sure about the other stuff you wrote but bring on the APPLETINI'S.

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  • Herb Lanphear
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    Prior to this years Nationals, I had only been DQ'd one time in more than 50 years of racing. A video surfaced of that incident after the fact and it was clear that I had left a lane, the other boat tried to make a 90 degree turn, not able to hold his lane, slid into my rooster tail and blew over. I PAID FOR THAT BOAT TO BE REPAIRED! I was more interested in keeping that person in the class than I was of beating him. I don not believe anyone reading this post deliberately chops another competitor, especially having to race against them every week.I am not the 20 to 30 year old driver I was, ( I cannot afford an injury, my parents don't build or buy my boats,I don't go home with as much money as I came with, EVER)but I get good starts and I have fairly fast equiptment. If your coming up my inside looking to force an overlap, it might look as though you did, because your committed and not letting off, and I am letting off to make the turn at the speed I feel comfortable with. Hard to judge from the turn boat! Answer get better starts! If you think someone chopped you on purpose, that is what your drivers rep is for, get the referee involved.Then handle it face to face, if that does not work, well , buy an extra boat, I have 4 CSH's, probably more than enough! Everyone have a wonderful Christmas holiday and look forward to most of you next year! I will bring the Martini's!

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  • csh-2z
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    I've seen guys go from the extreme outside lane on the start and go straight to the buoy sawing off the whole field. As much as I don't like the rule of maintaining your lane only applying to the starting chute I don't know how to word extending the chute to the entire run to the first turn. We all know it funnels on the way to the turn and a certain amount of that is acceptable but the referee and turn judges can throw somebody out if they see a flagrant lane change based on GRR 17, mentioned above.

    It's another case of turn judges knowing their job and enforcing the rules. It is very difficult for a referee to make that call as the boats are going away from the starting line toward the first turn, and can't really get a boat number. However the turn judge sees the boats coming towards them and can follow the specific boat in question to make an accurate call.

    Disqualifying a driver for a driving infraction is no different than being disqualified for jumping the gun. Hopefully the driver learns something from it and doesn't continue doing the same thing over and over again. Eventually you will have safer racing.

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  • GrandpaRacer
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    Honestly Matt, I did not realize that either until John posted it. They were pretty smart in writing these way back when.

  • Matt Dagostino
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    Many folks don't realize BEARING away applies to both starboard and port side............people tend to think bearing away only applies to pushing a oncoming driver to the outside of the course when actually it applies to pushing someone inside also!!

  • Ram4x4
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    And, it's not just going into and through the turns where lanes are an issue. I can't tell you how many times just on the start I've gotten pinched in the chute. I realize it's not easy to go perfectly in line with the course in the chute when you have a bunch of boats, but I don't see too many heads swiveling either, they just hunker down, take a line and go. If you're half a boat length behind one on the inside and one on the outside and one starts to merge with the other, it can get ugly fast. I recall one race where I was in that situation and I had to back off the throttle hard, and as soon as I did, the guy to my outside and half a length behind me nearly ran me over. He would have if I not had the room to move slightly to the left as I backed off.

    In the chute I always try to base my line off anyone to my left, figuring if I stay tight to that side, it leaves room for others on the outside.

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  • GrandpaRacer
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    John correctly reminded us of the APBA General Safety Rule 17. Rule 16 is equally important, so I will repeat these here. 2017 APBA General Safety Rules
    RULE 16 • OVERLAP 1. Each of the respective categories shall establish its own rules concerning when an overtaking boat has established an overlap so as to invoke the risk of fouling.
    RULE 17 • BEARING AWAY 1. A boat shall not bear out of her course so as to hinder another in passing to starboard or port.
    You can tell by the choice of words that these rules are very old but the intent of each is very clear. So Rule 16 says the Category is required to establish when an Overlap occurs to avoid the risk of fouling. In other words to make a safe lane change. And the second rule 17 says a lead boat cannot move so as to hinder a passing boat. The responsibility is for the lead boat to maintain their course when being passed on either side! So an attempt to pass on either side is perfectly fine and the lead boat has the responsibility to not close the door if the approaching boat has established an Overlap.
    John Adams

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  • ryan_4z
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    Pav,

    You can do this under the current rule. You only have to get there before the Capt. closes the overlap. The only difference is the length of the overlap. But this situation is not the prevailing problem. The situation you talk about is dangerous regardless of overlap, if things are tight. The prevailing situation is, say, the Capt. in lane two, and me trying to get up his inside. If I can't get my pickles past his transom there is NO WAY I am going to make the pass in the corner and I am getting out of there. Regardless of the rule, this is the reality. Passing in the corner is hard and you better already be there or it's not there for you. If the overlap were shorter, I would not expect a lane that I hadn't taken control of. I would be more prepared to drop the throttle quickly when I didn't get there because the lane is not mine.

    The other common situation this would help would be in scenarios of three or more boats where the guy in lane two has one lane, obviously has to take it, and then gets thrown out for chopping when there wasn't a lane to leave. Another situation when the guy on the inside had to either get there or get out of it. They should know the lane is not theirs.

    Being the lead boat in a situation should give some leeway to dictate the line.

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  • squirrelboydeluxe
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    I would love to meet Mr. DiFebo. I have one of their old 30H motors here that I restored. I bought it from George Price. I have another one that belonged to Del Snyder

  • csh-2z
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    All it takes is one or two of these young overaggressive drivers to start piling up the wins to start a trend that others begin to emulate. It has been noticed by some in the east and Midwest within the last fifteen or so years that some of the young drivers from the northwest were picking up some dangerous driving habits. I'm sure some of you older guys have seen it on a number of occasions throughout this timeframe. The results are predictable. These drivers must be told to cool it before something catastrophic happens. I've seen guys looking behind them and changing lanes to block people from passing them, literally zig-zagging in the straightaways. It needs to be stopped for the sake of everybody involved. As John has been saying, the flagrant chopping in the turns and total lack of concern for the other drivers on the race course has to stop. That is not the kind of sport this is, and it's going to take some hardass leadership to make things right.

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  • Ram4x4
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    Wish he had that many D's running on this side.

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